The 4 page rules are out, Slaanesh has broken free of his/her/its jizz prison -literally- and points are once again the norm. The age of 'play for fun' is over and the age of fucking over Sigmarines is in.
INFO SO FAR:
>Turn Priority - Previously players would roll to determine who gets to decide who gets the first turn in each round with the winner getting to choose. This works in much the same way but now if the players get a draw the player that went first in the previous round wins the roll.
>Command Abilities - Every Hero unit can use a command ability not just the general. These cost command points. You generate 1 per turn but get 1 extra per warscroll battalion on the field. You can now save them up to activate more than one per turn at the cost of going a turn without using any.
>"Look out, Sir!" - New Ability for Hero units, Subtract 1 from hit rolls for missiles targeting a enemy Hero unit within 3" of an enemy unit that has 3 or more models.
>Magic spell casting/unbinding - Arcane Bolt and Mystic Shield have been nerfed so they arent mandatory. Unbinding range up to 30" from 18", intended so more Fantasy era units are viable again with new warscrolls that make them ranged anti wizard units. 50 new spells that are realm specific and can only be cast in that realm.
>Warhammer Legends: New rules and warscrolls for every WHF army, not "8 dwarf models are AoS generic dwarf lord" but individual warscrolls for every unit and character of fantasy to play in AoS specifically mentioned are Tomb Kings and Dark elves.
>Summoning: Now actions generate points, different ways based on army e.g Slaanesh -GW's example army- cause pain so heros killing units generate summon points. The better your hero does the more you can summon
>Endless Spells - Give up a dispell option to cast a spell that stays on the field as a minature that roams e.g Purple sun is a giant skull cloud minature that roams on its own like a frostgrave monster casting mortal wounds on anything it floats over. Players take turns choosing the direction which means enemy wizards can turn your own shitkicker spell against you.
>Shooting in Combat - you can now shooting enemys when in 3"'s but can only target enemies within 3". Meaning they are as strong as ever but cant focus fire and burn shit while tanking another unit across the board. aka get fucked sigmarines.
>Artefacts of the realms - 84 new magic items, each mortal realm has 6 weapons and 6 trinkets you can choose 1 of instead of your usual army book choices. New campaign modes will mean that this is part of 'realm themed customisation' So two Idoneth Tidecallers from different realms look and act differently on the tabletop.
>Battling in the Realms - A new core part of the game, choosing which of the 7 realms your game takes place in effects the tabletop. eg. Fire spells in the realm of fire get a bonus to rolls, in the realm of violence combat phases are twice per turn not once before the battleshock phase and so on.
>Measuring - Model to model is gone, base to base is back as the only option. When charging/piling into combat when within 3" you must put each model as close as possible to the nearest enemy unit.
So Slaanesh is back, ranged armies like sigmarines get fucked, magic is back in a big way as are points and fantasy armies.
Question is will this be enough? the tumblr appealing shit is for the most part being kept to the sigmarines nobody likes and shit like the tomb kings are finally back as an army and not just proxies for nagashes deathrattle units. Along with going back to the points format and stopping it being a canon vs canons 6 turn babbyfest this seems a step in the right direction. I just wonder who is going to be sold now when they gave enough of a shit not to play it already.
What do you think? is fantasy creeping back in?
Seems like they've finally realized that WHFB was and still is more popular and are trying hard to convert people. Which isn't going to work because they're trying to bait them into playing the very game that killed their game.
I see the Endtimes of Sigmar approaching, probably after they carefully try to bring back some fantasy stuff. Maybe a specialist game to gauge interest or something.
See you back in the Old World by 2021.
It was never going to be gone for good, they just needed to please the new CEO with some plastic that sells better. I mean for fuck sake Necromunda is back.
>Age of Sigmar would be better if it was about Sigmar uniting the tribes.
>Warhammer Fantasy Ancient battles.
Doesn't really help if they still give out licenses to game devs that cater to WHFB, look at Total Warhammer, pretty damn popular and not a Sigmarine in sight.
And lo and behold, they're trying to turn back the clock and get some of that Grim-medieval-Dark again with some nostalgia too.
>"i roll 2 bone for make unga unga with the wumpawumpa"
Looking into it it sounds like Malign Portents ends with Nagash destroying Ayzr the realm of sigmar and this sends the remains of the old world of Fantasy smashing into all the realms so shit like brettonia and sylvania are now in separate realms like some Philadelphia experiment shit.
But is it selling? Is it likely it'll be supported in a month or three? My own sources point to no...
GW's new tactic is to smash and grab by writing 2 pages of rules for a new game, repackaging it and then abandoning it a week later. It's just enough to hype it up to the gaming clubs but not enough to make a stable game.
What does that even mean?
Must be 10-15 sec clips of a poorly animated video clip showing a spell being cast, so a GM or player can use it.
They're making models for spells that can be moved around and do damage and shit until dispelled. If nothing else, this is a very good idea and should've been done with the shitty Vortex spells in WFB way back.
That's what templates are for. You buy a pack of all 3 templates for £5 and that's it you're done. Now they will charge you £25 for a spell model and idiots will buy it up.
Well, isn't that convenient, that templates are mo longer in the game! Better buy those new spell models, goy...
Though to be fair, some of these are essentially summoned monsters, that charge through units to deal damage and stuff. You can have templates or paper markers, but if we're going there, that goes for your models as well. People have been calling it Age of Pokemon and not without reason. It's a pretty cool idea, but it depends on how much these spell models cost and how many you're expected to buy.
It's probably called Age of pokemon because Chaos didn't field an army, they just summoned in whatever countered the enemy army.
But still, templates work.
When 2nd releases they are selling a £15 box of models that are a complete set of these new 'superspells'. You give up your ability to cast when you play it for a turn and after you and your opponent fling it back and forth like a pong style roaming death or healball which should make games less about static defence.
called 'endless spells' because you cast them once but they just keep going to change the dynamic of a game. on paper it reads almost like having weather effects like a tornado showing up.
While I dig the visuals on the models and the general idea, I don't think I like the mechanical implications.
The deathball looks retarded.
I sorta like the idea... If they had models for spell effects as an option (key word, option with templates still being perfectly acceptable) back in Fantasy, it's something that I might've considered if it looked cool. Mechanically though, the idea that your opponent gains control over it sounds retarded and counter-intuitive. Why would I waste my resources to cast a stays-in-play spell that my opponent can and will turn against me? One step forward, two back with Smegmar. Every time.
But it will be fun XD
Did you wear your hoodie? That's +1 to your night goblins!
No, but I did bring the dildo that I glued a bunch of clock guts to. If I can keep it up my ass for the entire game, I get an extra victory point for my gay steampunk dwarves!
>gay steampunk dwarfs
>hes still trying to push it
>its never picking up
DHD pls go and stay go.
Are we sure that's how it works? I figured it would be something like the opponent being able to control it if it's within range of his wizards and he successfully rolls to capture it or something. Otherwise it's pretty daft.
It reads like the opponent gives up a turn of dispelling -which is now much more powerful with a 30" range- to just deflect the murderballs. So you can give up casting one turn to set one off, knowing your slow units might eat it themselves later but also you might cost something like a tidecasters corrosion the next turn and your opponent can either try and dispell and stop it doing a serious wound to a Hero or let the Hero eat and try and deflect the murderball from units.
You first, Matt Ward.
Ad hominem aside, I'm not the same guy pushing the terms, I just think it's spot on with the dwarves ("SJW tumblr elves" is retarded though. They're still garbage, but it's not a good description). How the fuck else would you describe this abomination?
>maggotkin of nurgle
>demons of tzeentch
>soulblight vampire counts
>daughters of khaine
I'm pretty sure this is a symptom of Giardia infection. You should probably lay off on the ass eating, guy.
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Remove yourself, elf-lover
You're bait is shit cause I actually like the aesthetic of the tree, sea, and snek elfs.
>How the fuck else would you describe this abomination?
Obnoxiously overkill Cogfop. Yeah, alright, they're steampunky and love putting brass and bolts on everything. That doesn't mean they need stupid top hats and monocles and cartoonish curly moustaches. That's the style of British aristocracy, not hard working engineers and craftsmen.
>Tfw we'll never see a lewd wargame with a faction of elf femboys and dickgirls
Life is suffering
>not just homebrewing your own lewd wargame
We are fa/tg/uys, anon! When has something as simple as "not existing" gotten in the way of fulfilling our fetishes and freaking out our friends? We are /tg/ and if the femboy elves won't come to us then we will go to them! We will create them if need be with the power of our own two hands!
Now go, anon, and be the change that you want to see in the world. Go and bring us back a gay elf fuckboy worthy of our name!
Try the /d/rukhari
Well. You know what to do.
I's a good description, but I'll stick with gay steampunk dwarves. It rolls off the tongue better than obnoxiously overkill cogfop and it's more immediately obvious what I mean to someone who doesn't know the jargon.
Step 1 is to find or make the models, anon. From there any system can be crafted or adapted.
>From there any system can be crafted or adapted
You got me thinking of a /d/-tier necromunda. It can have demon, tentacle alien, robot, and space amazon gangs/factions.
This has me thinking... How well is AoS being received by actual players? I primarily concern myself with /v/irgin faggotry than tabletop, and all I've seen is stuff for 40K and Fantasy - hell, the Old World is officially fucking dead and it's *still* getting games. Pic related - a Diabloclone is in the works from some French devs (Eko Software, for the curious or lazy).
We've got that, Total Warhammer, the runaway success that is Vermintide, and the slightly more venerable Dawn of War(s) and Captain Titus' Face-Fucking Extravaganza that I can think of off the top of my head. Yeah, there's a lot of shit Warhammer games in that pile, too, but *sweet fuck-all* for AoS. Hell, I've had a few dudes get fairly interested in Fantasy's lore just from dicking around on the two Vermintide games.
Is this just GeeDub belatedly realizing that maybe torpedoing the old setting for a Chinese knock-off of 40K isn't fucking working?
The moment they added actual rules and points instead of that memeshit it launched with people jumped on it and its more popular than fantasy was but partly with a different crowd.
The ones who were super saiyan god super butthurt are more often than not those '9th age' players that get so autistic they run around cons smacking AoS players armies onto the floor and screaming "KoW players kill yourselves faggots rrreeeeeee" and then when places like adepticon banned them for being rick and morty fan tier obnoxious retards they started screaming that GW paid to have 9th age banned and its all 'age of shitmars fault'.
Really at this point its just a fantasy version of 8th edition 40k.
>Really at this point its just a fantasy version of 8th edition 40k.
When did 40k scrap the setting for a shitty stargate knockoff and replace Sisters of Battle and Tyranids with reddit-level new factions?
Also have yet to see any evidence of Smegmar's supposed popularity.
>"version of x edition"
>could he be talking about gameplay?
>nah that cant be it, better stay buttmad and keep letting people know how salty i am about the sanctity of a tolkein rip off.
Its like the manlets of tabletop games. Its only them that really has such a huge complex but they try to get angry at others for their own issues that nobody else cares about.
Now they just need to reroll the lore to WHF and it might actually become a real game again.
And bring back square bases and formations
Yea, nah, I'm still not falling for these wild, hilarious fables of AOS' raging popularity and fantasy fans being super autists. It's the same shit as always, people claim it's super popular or everyone and their dog hates it, but we've no more than word of mouth to go by.
All I know is there's a handful of people that play it now and then in my parts, and I keep seeing AoS stock being on sale at the nearby LGS and associated webstores. And Fantasy is also still being played, which explains why so many of the new faction kits keep getting discounted.
Yea, seeing how the whole hated Smegmar crunch is basically washed away now, they really should just go back to the stuff people actually want. I'm sure most of the new factions could be written into WFB without too much trouble anyway.
>I'm sure most of the new factions could be written into WFB without too much trouble anyway.
Or quietly squatted. The dryad/elf hybrids would fit pretty well with Wood Elves, but there's a lot of trash there that is better scrapped.
Let's see then.
Orcs are orcs, undeads are undeads, chaos is chaos, dark elves are dark elves, treemen are wood elves. The only tricky ones are the sea elves, dwarves and smegmarines, that would require quite a bit of explanation.
You really do hold a grudge don't you? You're like 50% of the posts in this thread. If you hate the game so much just go promote something else. All you're doing is making it more visible to a board of people who might buy it.
I had no idea about the sea elves until this thread. I had no interest in AoS so didn't follow the factions. But I want to paint some sea life monsters, so now thanks to you being a sperg I now know I can get some from GW. You just fed them a potential customer not took them away.
>HURR EVERY OPINION I DONT LIKE IS SAMEFAGGING.
I just checked, and I've made 7 posts here, which is about 15% of the posts. Here, a free (you) for your analpain.
Aside from the armor looking exactly like astartes armor, I really do like the sigmarine lore. would waifu a stormcast protector that was a farmer or nursemaid.
Your childish nicknames for things make you stand out.
Age of Smegmar really isn't all that bad of a setting.
crazy idea: sea elves that live on the sea floor and their aethersea magic that turns the air to magical water and erases all memories of them from their victims means they are just really elusive.
Like clan pestilens or khorne they really just fit in via 'because they are there' logic.
Come on m8 you are pretty infamous as /tg/'s resident "FUCKING AGE OF SHITMARRR RREEEEE" autist.
But you are our autist.
>Slaanesh not in his current jizz amber prison full of elf tendies
Don't know if shitposting, but i agree. I can imagine that vast majority of hurt feelings comes from the fact they completely restructured the setting and discontinued a bunch of figures. But I do find it refreshing that the setting has actually progressed into a more hopeful and epic one, it's a nice switch on the formula of high-fantasy degrading into low-fantasy. This also is something we will unfortunately never see happen in 40k, it's destined to stagnate because any form of progression pushes 40k further towards its grimdark and most likely tragic end.
>elves summon slaanesh
>slaanesh vores them
>elven survivors use all that raw degeneracy to seal him/her in jizz amber
Literally daddy cummies when you think about it. It was the way he would want to go.
No, you're referring to the "gay steampunk dwarves" and "tumblr elves" guy. Autistic naming aside, he's not the only one that finds a lot of these new factions dumb.
I wouldn't call a lazy copy of MTG-style multiverse shit very original.
The biggest strength of smegmar is that it's a blank slate with several planes to fill in. But that also means it's really boring and uninspiring until it's been reasonably fleshed out, and it still needs to be fleshed out with good content, which is looking steadily more doubtful when looking at the diversity-quota comics they shit out.
>This also is something we will unfortunately never see happen in 40k
I wouldn't say that, they've already killed off the grimdark there as well. The current 41k lore has already completely changed tone from the original, but at least here we have the luxury of just ignoring all the shitty new fluff they churn out.
>I wouldn't say that, they've already killed off the grimdark there as well. The current 41k lore has already completely changed tone from the original
What the fuck are you talking about? just because papa smurf woke up, don't mean it's gotten any better, the universe is still in a spiral of self-destruction, the emperor is still a massive dickhead and the empire is still working ass backwards, xenos still have their own interest in mind and will throw anyone under the bus if it helps them, and chaos is still chaos. There is no hope in the 40k universe.
40k has done the exact same thing but no one cares because it still has muh space marines.
Half the fantasy line they dropped were already discontinued. They just didn't call them dead yet. They had no stock, they had no support and you might get a metal model run once a decade of a classic piece. Chaos Dwarves had more support than Tomb Kings or Bretonnia did ffs.
That wasn't the terms I was referring to. A lot of people find a lot of shit dumb but we don't make up faggy little names for them which make us look preteen you homosarus.
They have a mixed race scooby gang now. They're going to save the 40k universe with friendship and diversity.
What, smegmarines? Age of Smegmar is already a well established /tg/ slang ever since AoS came around, where have you been?
Also, TKs got a lot of new models not too long before the endtimes, they definitely had support up till the end. Which only makes it more befuddling why they decided to cut the Necrosphinx, stalkers, tomb guard and so on.
Rowboat woke up, and that techpriest that specialise in Deus ex machina pulled a massive army of superspacemarines and technoheresy equipment out of his shiny butthole. Meanwhile, all the other negative "happenings", like the warp rift thing, turned out to be complete nothingburgers and were instantly overcome whenever the plot demanded it. Oh and the Custodes peeked out of the palace as well, and Rowboat called another crusade. Overall that's a pretty clear improvement of the Imperium's situation, to say nothing of all the themes that went out the window with all the brazen technoheresy and progress that came along with it.
How come most of the AoS factions are just single WFB unit: the faction? Like, there was black orcs: the faction, slayers: the faction, witch elves: the faction, dryads: the faction, hell, even gyrocopter: the faction, and now the new starter is is sigmarines vs. cairn wraith: the faction. What's going on? Do they just pick a unit at random, make 2 or 3 facsimiles & call it a faction?
There are 4 factions and then you get bonuses for using themed forced within them. That's why everything is split into unique theme blocks, that's where the theme force bonuses sit.
It also allows GW to pump and dump factions this way. They can release 2-4 new models and a £100 display trophy and then move onto the next one. You can slot them into your big army or buy them as an entire army which hits 2 markets.
It has been pretty shitty so far though. The ally system severely limits your options, so some natural combinations are almost impossible to play without ditching the army bonuses and going into the generic order, chaos, death, destruction brackets.
The weird thing is it's not even hard to fix, they could just add in a more complete combined army roster for Skaven, Beastmen and whatever other faction suffer from this, so people can actually play functioning armies. So far they've focused way too much on pumping and dumping new factions rather than making the game work as a whole, which is much of the reason so many people aren't bothering to get into it with their old WFB armies.
Welcome to GW? All they do is make space marines, bad rules and now giant models you can't transport to a game club.
Well since 2nd hits next month more infos coming out. This one surprised me, all the new endless spells come in one cheap box and are push fit with all the rules and so on.
I was honestly expecting GW to sell them all separate at like £10 each.
Gotta say most look neat but the 'gravetide' thats meant to be an idoneth spell summoning an ocean tide that basically passes through shit and does to it what the phantoms did in that old final fantasy cgi scifi movie looks kind of lame. It looks more like teeth coming up out of the ground and chomping together. Honestly theres better water effect terrain you can buy i'd rather use for that one.
WHF battles seemed lower in overall power tier but the trade off was far larger in size. Like maybe theres a wizard of chaos sorceror. But most of the units are footmen, cannoneers or mounted cavarly beating the fuck out of each other and that needs a huge army and you take what you can get.
Sigmar seems more magical and therefore its less 'oh you have a troll thats nice, heres a fucking mile long wall of cannons, gg, no re fucker' and more 'we brought two units of jobbers but all of our hero units are demigods of some aspectic of the realms so we dont need the huge army, just the bigger crushing magedick.
Which is probably why the spell thing is the new focus. Nagash breaks heaven and makes everything undying including magic spells and now they gotta sort that shitshow situation out. again a large army is pointless. But back in ye olde bretonnia vs sylvannia days it was full helms deep or go home faggot this aint a skirmish game.
Apparently Dark Elves are getting the first Warhammer Legends stuff for Age of Sigmar. Thoughts?
It'll be shit.
Who is this faggot? He's amusing.
Fantasies size was also one of it's biggest problems. No one wanted to paint 50 of the same damn model and as GW went more and more full retard on the detail it became less feasible to do so.
the one reason i wanted to but never got into skaven.
No upload in 7 months
The new boxset actually looks pretty good tbh, shame it has sigmarines and not some other new faction though.
Try doing Napoleonic wars figures tbh
>hey paint these exact same sculpts 400 times the exact same way
yeah but replacing khorne with ghosts is a good first step. nobody i know plays sigmarines or khorne because they are the blandest shit ever. They want them to be the next blueberries/black legion but nobody likes them.
Khorne was always popular in 40k. Tzeench was the bastard child and Slaanesh became that way once they dropped the noise marines guitars.
Khorne in 40k is basically the reavers from firefly. Khorne in fantasy/aos is just barabrian savages. Thats it.
>hey look at nurlge fanatics riding montrous flies leading a carnival of happy, smiling demons turning the air into pure viral particles
>hey look at the tzzeentch sorcerors floating on discs parading demons made of sentient light and flame and turning villagers flesh into colour out of space shit
>hey look at the roaming questing bands of perverts seeking out slaanesh, descending on a town like cenobytes.
B-but the khorne guy has an axe. Y-yeah. Absolute units etc.
Compared to ringwraiths: the army they look pretty fucking bland.
chaos warriors were always the most popular chaos fantasy army. It's easy to see why they made them a lead faction.
chaos in general sure, but at least in bongland khorne was always dead last in popularity for being bland as fuck. It went nurlge>tzeentch>>>slaanesh>khorne.
The assuumption at large was they went with khorne because it was the most 'safe' to try and sell to kids and normalfags with. Holy warriors vs savage barbarians. Save the plagues, fleshworkers and perverts for the people who want it.
I'm also in bongland. Khorne and Nurle was chaos and then the others were niche as fuck. Especially Tzeench.
Just as planned. Brainlets have no right following the Lord of Change. Or do they
Let's be honest, an entire army of legless skeletons in bedsheets is hardly the most interesting force either
Undead are bland as fuck except casing magic which Sigmar restricts hugely. So how the fuck do you make sigmar undead interesting?
WHFB undead is a pretty damn good start. The dynamic of having powerful leaders (vampires) & endless hordes of mooks held together by squishy wizards instantly makes for mechanically interesting combat. Plus, they all looked both more individually interesting & more distinct. Even within 'sub-factions', there's more visual interest & distinction between skeletons/grave guard/black knights than between man in bedsheet/larger man in bedsheet/skaven (?) in bedsheet.
You're talking utter bollocks. Throwing a huge block of skeletons at someone and then just ressing more and more until you grind someone out isn't interesting.
Yea, both VC and TK had enough variation of other kinds of units (Although TK not so much as VC) to make the army interesting.
That's the problem with these boring split armies, you have to either go all spooks or skellingtons and maybe throw in a little of something else as allies.
I haven't played since 6th edition WH but I always used to fuck over Undead with Empire by always targeting their Vampire with my cannons.
Low odds of it working but pump 4 cannon balls a turn at them and they'll all be falling apart soon enough.
I only ever played one game of WHFB 8e as Warriors of Chaos and I want to get into AoS with Lizardmen. I am looking for a Slann to go along with a start collecting box. Is the finecast model as shit as the rest of them? I keep searching for the metal ones and they cost hella bread.
Theres rumours of a lizardmen/sepharon redo coming for 2nd so i'd wait a little while. Considering the sepharon are litterally demons as the slanns that are the sole survivors of the old world use their insane akira powers to literally remember them back into being i think them getting a model as the crux of the army is 100% likely.
Thanks m80, I'll just look into the Start Collecting box first then. Considering that's only $30 more than one of those finecast frogs, this is for the best.
Now if only fucking blood knights would get plastic kits but NEVER FUCKING EVER since it took fucking a quarter of a century for plastic sister or some such bullshit.
And im in england where this shits made, i cannot imagine the cost of a unit of blood knights in australia.
Is there even a concentration of the whole continuation thing? Because it looks like a lot of people think its >universe A>end times>universe B pops into being as though its been around like a replaced actor in a show. When really its >universe A>end times>big bang makes realms>war with chaos that gets slaanesh imprisoned>sigmar fucks off to heaven like a dick>chaos takes over most of the world>sigmar gets platinum butmad, declares age of sigmar aka not great crusade.
But all i know from the skimming off the top is:
>Stormcast are the souls of heros from WHF in basically astartes forms but when they die instead of their souls going to Nagash like everything else Sigmar takes them in a bolt of lightning back to heaven to reforge them using some dwarven god forge, but each time they come back with less memories of the WHF world, themselves and less emotions.
>Idoneth Deepkin are the high elves slaanesh ate freed and reborn but tainted. They shun the light and live on the sea floor, coming up to towns they cover in a magic ocean to steal humans for surrogate souls for stillborn children and after the magic sea recedes all memory of it is gone
>sylvaneth are the souls of wood elves and high elf heroes, becoming the replacement dryads and basically deciding their goal in life is "fuck that nurgle guy in particular"
>seraphon/lizardmen are almost all dead except the slaan which are so god tier psychic they saw the old world explode around them and just went "bummer" and when the new realm settled just remembered so hard they summoned in demons from the warp in the form of all the dead seraphon
>undead are basically slaves to nagash who is sauron and the reaper from discworld combined. vampires are all products of a soulblight plague and mannfred survived the end times but is working to bring sylvania back as its one of the surviving landmasses kept secret and safe in the core of heaven by sigmar
>slaanesh cultists roam the realms looking for their master in his jizz prison and maybe they found him at the end of 1st edition
>daughters of khaine are elves reincarnated after marinating in slaaneshes vorepouch for so many eons they are kind of slaanesh demons of a kind themselves becoming the new witch elves.
but thats about it. I assume the dwarfs in their airships fly around looking for valuable shit and orcs are like down syndrome kids, they only got one speed and that retard strength to back it up.
They will likely beef up toe Slann so it's the size of a great unclean one.
Paki confirmed. Can't even use basic capital letters.
Dryads are literally dryads. They're magic tree spirits who do tree spirit shit. They no longer have any connection to the elves. The Wood elves are wanderers who... wander.
Either way stop huffing AoS fumes.
There are some wood elves but the Sylvaneth are the old elves. It even says the reason some have pointed ears and grass like long gold hair is 'in tribute to the ancient heros they descend from that still lingers in their race memory'.
So they fucked up the lore even worse than before. Impressive.
As opposed to "where did the elves go GW?" "lolidunno?". The woodland dwelling protectors of nature literally becoming the avatavistic spirits of nature itself isn't a great slight to anyone but the "gay steampunk dwarfs" guy who refuses to let go of his buttstration.
>he cares about Smegmar lore
Honestly more than current 40k.
But both are shit compared to Malifaux
Malifaux has a shitty SJW fanbase and no story. Games also way too complex for the sake of being complex. Desperately needs to lose a major mechanic.
>overblowing 40k's recent lore so hard you compare it to No-lore game
Stop this now, guilliman is doing nothing wrong.
The 8th ed lore is shit, but the rest of it still exists. Compared to AoS where your favourite faction of yesteryear is just lounging around in the axeman's waiting room.
Reading the fluff for 2nd edition and right away its got an interesting bit with "Sigmar Heldenhammer realised his greatest mistake and his greatest folly -the stormforged eternals-". I can't help but wonder if thats meant to be meta since Sigmarines are notoriously unpopular with veteran GW customers and new ones. Maybe they admit their mistake or maybe they aren't selling and just being pushed aside. Some other stuff was interesting though:
>Nurgle has been pushed out of the realm of life by the sylvaneth but has basically turned all but a single forest into a writhing mire of pus and cancer
>Orks decided fuck it lets gigawaaagh and invaded all of shyish
>Nagash is starting to realise his mortarchs have never actually been under his control and he's going senile, confusing the realms with the WHF world
>Fireslayer Dwarfs raping khornefags in the realm of fire, another faction they tried hard to push that is not selling well
>Tzeench fucking over the skydwarfs, who also arent selling well. A pattern appears to be forming here
>all the elf descended races freaking out because their souls are not reincarnations but direct continuations of the elves from WHF so nagash wants their souls
>Sigmarines all going insane
>Ghosts fucking everywhere
>slaanesh's prison connected to shadespire which might be a broken realmgate in secret
>The chaos gods or 40k and age of sigmar are one and the same. Slaanesh is listed as being created by the eldar -now the Aeldar- and he/she used the warp to cross through into any reality the warp bursts out into and went after the elves/aelves in whf and aos because they resemble the eldar that made him.
also prices are dropping
>spell model set in uk: £45
>spell model set in aus: £180
>The chaos gods or 40k and age of sigmar are one and the same. Slaanesh is listed as being created by the eldar -now the Aeldar- and he/she used the warp to cross through into any reality the warp bursts out into and went after the elves/aelves in whf and aos because they resemble the eldar that made him.
>We're hoping this bullshit will attract the 40K players over to smegmar
Found the new fags.
There has always been references between the two games. There used to be a chainsword in the fantasy equipment lists. No one knew WTF it was in universe but it was clear from the fluff that Fantasy had a 40k weapon in it.
This type of wankery goes on a lot.
It's been just shy of stated fact that the two universes are connected by warp for decades now. Quite a few daemons, notably Be'lakor, are seen between both. Kaldor Draigo almost definitely aided the Elves in a quest delving into Nergle's manour. Skaven accidently contacted a craftworld with a Farsqueaker once. Orkoids supposedly came to the world by spores stuck upon the Slaan's temple ships.
There are other hints but that's all I remember right now.
Is it wrong i want a crossover between 40k and aos? doesn't have to be canon i just want to see the high sci-fi clash with high fantasy.
>We are a secular (kind of but not really) empire that stomps out all competition for human dominance! Heros that are genetically remade into demigods to fight chaos, with bolters!
>We are the dead heroes of a former world that are remade into demigods to fight chaos, with crossbows!
I imagine the wolves of fenris would consider it a lovely vacation.
Yes, it is wrong. It would be like star wars and stargate cross over. Their tone, tech, philosophies and scale do not jive.
There is this funny little youtube channel that compares star wars, 40k, halo, and starcraft in various ways. Biggest ships, footsoldiers, top tier infantry, full scale invasions, antagonists, etc. It is laughable because no matter the discussion 40k comes out on top. A space marine, a single one, would wipe the floor with most everything non-warpy in AoS. A librarian would do the same with just about anything warpy. The winds of magic may flow through AoS, but the barrier between the warp and emperium is woefully thin in 40k.
You're almost asking for a starcraft - warcraft crossover.
There was an article in a truly ancient WD where Priestly said the only way the 2 games worked together was if the WH world was a planet in the eye of terror.
I wasn't talking about the fluff though, I meant the usual top quality jewdubs marketing ideas.
I always assumed that WH40k was in the far future of WHFB & Terra=WH world, but that they realised that making 'humans win' canonical could tank WHFB sales so retconned it to be the real world.
40K was the future of our world. Fantasy was a fantasy world.
How do you fanboys not know this shit when I don't give a fuck about the games and still know this stuff?
WHFantasy is between two and four times Earth's size, and has two moons.
It's Earthlike, but so are a number of Slaan creations.
It certainly wasn't a maiden world, nor a Necron colony. That it had Squats and Zoats places it closer to the galactic core than anywhere.
As much as I want to get into Shitmar after seeing a game (I'm considering Fyreslayers or Ogres), I can't really justify $75 for a book knowing I'm not gonna use all of the extra shit it comes with. I'll wait and see what they do to Skaven (I'm not holding my breath for an all Goblin army, and they killed off Beastmen like they killed off Tomb Kings and Bretonnians).
This because if they make something for Tomb Kings, Bretonnians, Skaven, and Beastmen, they're gonna half-ass it.
>Thinks it's only one guy that's calling the Steampunk Dwarfs gay
<When no one really likes them
Lol. If they just cut down on the excessive shit,an all metal Dwarf army could work.
Holy shit you have bad in everything. At least like some non-shitty Elves.
What aesthetic? The Tumblr Elves are just "Not DarkEldar" ripped off from 40k, which did evil Space Elves better for a while.
Points and rules salvaged Shitmar, but it still has some of the old pay-to-win shit with new Sigmahreen model of the month that counters new army of the month. GW is slowly getting pozzed, as the Sigmahreens and new Elves are Tumblr as fuck with the Gay Steampunk Dwarfs. It looks like a fun game to play, but like someone else said, it's Fantasy 40k. 40k does Skirmishes better.
I hope they get a decent rework.
I knew there were references and easter eggs like how WoW has diablo pets and such. I simply never thought they were serious
>yellow rock men fall from sky
>big yellow rock man go up to tribe
>speak in grug words
>Empragrug gib grug tribe pointy war club
>order tribe to run and smash monster line
>grug tribe dead
liber chaotica directly talks about future black crusades and ancient event involving one fun guy. Not to mention all the other shit
>Got the Fyrslayers book with a discount
<It's mostly lore fluff, model pictures, and 5 pages of fucking army rules/set up options
I have to admit I do like the lore about them being greedy dicks because they still keep some of the old Dwarf stuff (if you fuck with them, they'll raise Hell), but where can I find the point listings for these guys?
general handbook has everything but idoneth and daughters who have it in their army books since they were made for 2nd edition when the stupid rules got thrown out.
Deaf, what with a cannon right above his head
Holy fuck, something from AoS that actually looks cool.
Forge world made chaos dwarves with small hats. They have had AoS rules since the start of the game.
>age of sigmar has a chaos dwarf army
i feel conflicted.
>Me skyman bestest grug
>And me shall not know ugg
has anyone actually seen anyone with khadaron or whatever they are called? sigmarines are unpopular but are bruteforced into all startersets including shadespire. but i have never seen airship dwarves in the wild even once.
I see them all the time at my shop. Bought my old man a starter box and one of the ships for Father's day because he likes the machine aesthetic
My generals handbook has it. The 2018 version
Well, I see them on discount all the time. I think I'm the only one that ever bought a box in my local store, and I just needed them to make a Squat gang for Necromunda.
And speaking of Sigmarines, they now have a THIRD box of ugly monster cavalry. It's a fucking mystery to me how GW keeps drowning people in sigmarine releases when no one even likes them. Is there like a eccentric kike millionaire that likes them because they're gold coloured and keeps buying up all the stock or something?
Exactly. It's cool specifically because it isn't actually from AoS.
The new book is...kind of shitty tbh. Ogres got the middle finger, while Lizardmen, Sigmahreens, and Slayers got all kinds of new options (at least GW remembered people liked the Skaven clans, and gave them stuff, but it ain't much). Slaneesh armies have some options too. You're getting screwed over if you're paying over $35 for the new general book (the other options gives you the Tumblr-Feminist Sigmahreen on the cover with a bunch of other shit you really don't need). And Jesus fucking Christ, they're going full tumblr with Sigmahreens.
Because GW won't give stores anything, but Spesshmahreens and shitty Sigmahreens stuff on top of a 3-4k debt stores are forced to accept and pay within a time frame. If you want different armies, you gotta go to a GW store, or a shop that has a busy scene that can justify getting various models (good fucking luck because a lot of areas don't play Shitmar out of GW stores). This is the problem I'm having with getting Ogres, Skaven for a Skyre list, and Slayer Dwarfs (I know a comic book shop near me can get me a start collecting Slayers set with a discount, but I'm fucked with Ogres and non-Pestilence Skaven).
>And speaking of Sigmarines, they now have a THIRD box of ugly monster cavalry. It's a fucking mystery to me how GW keeps drowning people in sigmarine releases when no one even likes them. Is there like a eccentric kike millionaire that likes them because they're gold coloured and keeps buying up all the stock or something?
Well guess who is getting another update they didn't need (Meanwhile, Orkmahreens, Skaven, and Ogres are wondering if they'll get any attention)? Since GW is adding all kinds of Tumblr-tier shit to Sigmahreens (and more Mary Sues to this army), why do I have a feeling Matt Ward is involved?
Too bad their models are very pricey af cuz Forgeworld.
You must be in the US. Here you can get most stuff reasonably easy if you just find one of the big online stores.
It used to be easy in the States, but hobby shops are closing down or stores are telling GW to fuck off. I'm lucky to even find a scene where I'm at, but only god knows how long that'll last (one place near me dropped it for the shitty new 40k realizing Shitmar is just Skirmish fantasy). As for hobby shops, the only one I know of is War Store, but the shipping can get ya'.
GW US are complete bastards beyond any rational justifaction. It's like they tried to tank their business over there. Every decision they made was the wrong one.
UK stores are shutting down due to online competition but also just because no ones going into towns unless they have to. Demographic shift is real and high streets are vanishing.
> And Jesus fucking Christ, they're going full tumblr with Sigmahreens.
How are they tumblr besides the hideous dykes they've started including
>Meanwhile, Orkmahreens, Skaven, and Ogres are wondering if they'll get any attention)?
Nobody plays ogres.
>why do I have a feeling Matt Ward is involved?
He probably isn't
You're the gay steampunk dwarves guy aren't you?
>How is including hideous dykes, niggers and trannies tumblr?
How is water wet if we ignore all properties of liquids?
>How are they tumblr besides the hideous dykes they've started including
The Sigmahreen in the background is sporting a numale, soyboy haircut while you have another dyke Sigmahreen clashing with the undead. Those scream Tumblr shit. You're either a redditor cunt pretending to be dumb, or blind if you can't see the Tumblr shit in the Sigmahreens.
>Nobody plays ogres.
Funny because Ogres are decent from what I'm reading, but their models are hard to find. GW doesn't do shit for armies that aren't Tumblr-tier, Chaos god of the month, or Sigmahreens, so they won't go out of their way to sell Ogre stuff (might as well kill them off with Beastmen, Tomb kings, and Bretonnians).
>He probably isn't
Ward still does stuff for GW. If you hate people saying your favorite thing sucks or shit like Gay Steampunk Dwarfs, go back to Reddit if you can't take the heat.
>You lived to see GW start pushing lizardmen again.
Has it been like ten fucking years since the lustria campaign?
also those prices holy shit this is like being in the uk and puying t shirts from murrca.
>t-this edition people will finally buy and enjoy sigmarines!
Imagine being the guy that replaced the astartes statue outside warhammer world with a sigmarine and everyone hates them. Fucking peak old pal gil tier.
>Nobody plays ogres.
Ogres were common as fuck near me back when Warhammer was Warhammer and people actually wanted to play it. The fact that you could field a full army with a relatively low model count was probably a big part of it. Cut down on the investment required (both time and money) to buy, build, and paint everything. Of course, that illustrates exactly why GW wouldn't be fond of them.
part of the problem is a bunch of the metal stuff is mishapen and requires pinning and a fuckton of greenstuff. I've still got the big genghis khan looking HQ in pieces because it was a bigger mess than a warmachine sculpt, The plastics were great but the hq's were expensive trash that fell apart. So they ended up as small niche stuff everyone wanted but nobody built an army of so it never really sold well.
>I can only make play mobile models and anything else is junk
Maybe try building a model for once in your life?
>everything I don't like is reddit
>He's still trying to make gay steampunk dwarves happen
t. Abaddon the Armless.
Make up your own game while you are at it bro, some of us demand product quality when we hand over our dosh.
if that was true you woudn't be playing GW games so dn't give me that bullshit.
Lizardmen might get an update, since their book is pretty shitty like the older ones (The Slayers book is just nothing, but lore and vague descriptions of the units).
It won't happen. The army is too shitty and getting shoved down everyone's throats. People would rather use the Chaos god of the month army than Sigmahreens. What Shitmar does, 40k does better.
Shows you know little or nothing about models because some of those metals were pretty shitty back in the day. Out of 200 units of a certain model, you would have a few bad ones. Yea you could play around with the plastic, but metals were a bitch when you got a shitty one even with pinning and green stuff.
GW hates anything people like that isn't something they're pushing hard like Sigmahreens or Speeshmahreens.
>Thinks someone is trying to make a meme out of a stupid insult like Gay Steampunk Dwarfs
<Is butt-hurt no one is like him, and posts dumb webms or gifs
Typical Redditor as usual.
People are playing other games besides GW.
GW US can do whatever because they don't care if people piss about prices of toy soldiers going up ($60+ for 3 fucking eels), or they're adding sjw-tumblr shit to their games. They'll still have suckers who will pay money for a shitty Sisters update, or know they can tease non Mahreens/Tau/Necron players with good updates (Remember when Orks and Dark Eldar waited years for updates, and those updates still sucked?!).
I've said it before and i'll say it again. Age of Sigmar is a fun game. But sigmarines are trash. They are millhouse. Nobody likes millhouse.
And I've said it before, probably in response to you that the whole game isn't even Milhouse tier, it's goddamn Wendel.
>this many buzzwords
Are you okay?
>i cannot imagine the cost of a unit of blood knights in australia.
One Hunderd and Sixty fucking five Dollars
You could buy that or a Baneblade
Wanting to play Vampires is suffering.
Honestly if you were fine being seen as a cheapfag then Dragon Knight Elfs with some mild conversion work make excellent Proxies but yeah
>Demographic shift is real and high streets are vanishing.
Well yea, even if you manage to map a route to your LGS that circumvent the muzzie rape gangs and nigger tent camps, you'll still be fucked if some bobby faggot catch your unlicensed hobby knife in a pat-down.
>He probably isn't
Yea, it's like everyone always forgets that AoS was one of the reported reasons he left GW in the first place. All he's doing now is some occasional freelance writing for them.
That's why you get those from chinaman instead. Some stuff really is better as recasts. Looking at you Imperial BBs for BFG.
Buy mantics shit.
It's funny seeing people throwing shit fits about recasters. I always enjoy lurking the sculpting groups where they're charging £200-300 for a resin kit and I can get it for £25 else where. Maybe charge some goddamn reasonable prices and I won't go to the recasters?
It's just a matter of availability, price, quality and service. I ordered some stuff from FW recently (and only because our chinese friends didn't have those items yet), so I paid full price and had to wait almost a month before the package arrived. There was also more flash than I've gotten in my last chinaman orders, and the blisters were haphazardly thrown into a cheap brown box with a couple of airbags for protection. On top of this, there was a fucking huge toll fee on it.
At this point the only argument against recasting is the moral one, but anyone that seriously pulls that out to defend a massive corporate monster like GW in current year +3 is a hopeless bugman whose opinions aren't worth anything anyway.
Are recasters really that convenient. I've thought about buying from them but I don't trust the Chinese at all.
>They must be mad if they're arguing with me lol
Someone disagreeing with you, being proven wrong about stuff like models molds being bad, or someone saying your favorite thing sucks doesn't mean they're angry, Redditor.
>muh Buzzwords and made-up memes
This isn't Reddit. Go back there if you want that shit.
It doesn't mean Matt has no influence on things. It's ironic how he left over Shitmar because technically he's responsible for Shitmar with End Times (in the sense that he killed off Fantasy in the most retarded way to set up a shitty Fantasy skirmish game). It's not farfeteched to blame Ward for things like Guillman's return or forced Sigmahreen shit.
Sigmar isn't a skirmish game. It's still the same scale as fantasy was and 40k is. Skirmish games are 5-35 models size. It's not 40 model units.
not to defend end time but nobody had an idea how to end it and they had to. period. fantasy lore had run its course no matter what fanboys tell you out of kneejerk loyalty. Was the empire ever going to 'win'? no. Were the skaven ever going to rise up? not in a way they could keep up for an edition. The saurian prophecies, the undead swarming the world, chaos rendering the world a nightmare dreamscape. None could be done without fucking over all the other armys players lore wise.
Remember this was at a point where GW was on the decline and even 40k was seen as "oh another event where chaos gets a minor victory but nothing fucking changes" and they needed a dramatic change. They wouldnt shake up 40k even on a decline as it was their majority moneymaker. So the shakeup HAD to go to fantasy.
Didn't have to be AoS, could have been a timeskip, some form of cataclysm or some power shift forcing hard to swallow new alliances and so on. But they had to do something to bring in new players and the warhammer fantasy world had nowhere to go to introduce new armies or settings as is. This wasn't a galaxy remember. It was a world. Mapped and complete from pole to pole.
Should people not be upset their favourite models weren't what they used to be? of course not. But have you heard a single good idea to come up with a proper new edition? and i dont mean 'tweak the rules' like a balance patch but an actual meaningful change. Love or hate Sigmar 2nd edition is a change. Nagash has destroyed heaven, death and life are in flux so even spells are undead and unending. Its not everyones cup of tea but its a "i remember in X edition when this happened" and the last time people gave that kind of shit was the black crusade for 40k like 11 years ago
>nobody had an idea how to end it and they had to.
Nope, a setting doesn't have to progress. It worked well enough for several decades, all the retarded fluff "progress" both in WFB and 40k was completely unnecessary and didn't do any good at all. The moment you start to argue change for change's sake, you end up sliding the slippery slope, and just look at the SJW filth that is edging into GW lately.
WFB sold more than well enough as all the numbers clearly showed, the real problem was that GW overestimated the impact of LoTR, which ended up being more of a money drain than otherwise. And either way, all this could easily have been countered by a actual sane response, like the start collecting boxes, actually supporting more armies and doing some proper skirmish game. Obviously GW would've had way more earnings to show for this as opposed to butchering WFB and replacing it with the AoS abomination and the massive loss of goodwill that entailed.
>Nope, a setting doesn't have to progress.
Ah so luddite or tumblr are the only options then?
Okay then if you have all the answers one question: Where does your next army come from?
You have a fully mapped out fantasy world. No hidden nooks, no unknown 'thar be dragons' wilds. If the setting doesn't have to change -because apparently it can only be bad- where does your future ranges come from?
One of the biggest complaints about GW was that it was stagnant, nothing new was coming it was just the same models re-released and reshuffled.
You've never actually looked at the WFB map or the lore have you?
There's already tons of more or less unexplored factions that could easily have been turned into full armies, like Chaos Dwarves, Kislev, Araby, Estalia, Tilea, Ind, Nippon, Cathay and Fimir. All the treefolk models could easily have been squeezed into Wood Elves, the flasher dwarves could be from some southern volcano themed dwarf hold, the ghosts going right into VC. Even the sigmarines could have been fluffed as the "order" equivalent to WoC and the "gay steampunk dwarves" aren't that far off from the tech the dwarves and Marienburg engineers already had. And then you have all the unexplored places on the map on top of this.
Honestly, it hardly even requires effort to add more stuff in, and you'd only really get into spacing problems once you hit 20-30+ new full factions. AoS with it's planeswalker model might be able to squeeze more landmass in, but it matters little when it's all meaningless maps devoid of fluff and history. And they'll likely never reach the point where they add so many new factions that they would really need all this space anyway.
Oh yea? And pray tell, how did that change? Because I see even more space marines than ever being shoved down our throats, even in AoS. And again, if there was any stagnation here, it evidently had absolutely nothing to do with the lore of WFB, but everything to do with GW's priorities. If they didn't have to juggle the problems with the LoTR license and focused on fully supporting all the WFB armies and giving them all some releases, they would've had all the opportunity to branch into new stuff as mentioned above.
Warhammer stagnated before they got hold of the LOTRs license you pleb. Nothing changed in any setting from 2nd edition on wards. Even the stories supposed to move it forward just got retconned into nothing changing.
The "gay steampunk dwarves" were from the old world. As everything got fucked they jumped in airships and avoided all of it. That's their entire fliff.
I see you also don't understand what a setting is.
Age of Chaos is after the end times
I see you don't understand that people want new toys and when you stagnate the setting for 20 years people get sick of it.
>all these new potentials like other dwarves, and other humans! and asian humans!
Traditionally we call that "the bottom of the barrel".
So it looks like the first big revamp for 2.0 is Slaanesh, not surprising since the daughters of Khaine were breaking him out of his jizz amber prison, but apparently its a rumoured to be a LOT more cenobyte leatherfetish than before.
So at least thats some of /tg/ with an alternative to kingdom death monster.
So are people actually starting to play Smegmar or is GW just doubling down on a failure? I’ll buy into this if they unsquat Bretonnia instead of just giving them some half assed legacy rules
Well they are the poster boy faction even though nobody plays them It’s pretty natural they’d get put in the 2nd starter.
No, Space Wolves are for 12 year olds. Just like a 40k/AoS crossover would be.
Literally never seen the cogbeards in the wild. probably because they’re retarded
You type like such a whiny faggot. I genuinely wish there was a way to filter you. I don’t know where you came from but you really should head back.
One of those images did not post
That may all be true but Sigmarines still look retarded.
>phoneposting this badly
Cuckchan, it's bad enough that you come here at all, but do you have to do this too?
Don't fall for it.
Let the death ball of derp be immortalized!
As opposed to other elves, other spoops, other dwarves x2 and other space marines?
If you knew anything about the lore you'd see how much potential there is. FW even had planned a book for mercenaries featuring Arabyan djinns, flying carpets and shit. Estalia and Tilea might need some work to make unique, but Cathay and Araby would be massively different from the other human factions with just the tiniest bit of effort.
So, has anyone found a suitably scaled Koffing toy yet?
>So, has anyone found a suitably scaled Koffing toy yet?
This one spins when you drag the bottom part across the ground. I suggest revving one up and letting it run wild across the table.
>Going to Nottingham with friends tomorrow
>One guy leaning to the soy side going for magic prerelease
>Everyone else going to warhammer world for age of sigmar
>All of them 3 years ago were screeching about age of shitmar to anyone that would listen
>Wonder what changed, why buttmad then but not now
>Actually look up the Age of Sigmar release
>GW: Dont expect serious rules, we are now a model producer, not a game producer.
Looking back its amazing how fast they turned back from that but also entirely explains how much more severe the blowback was before points, structured play, competitve and so on.
So when does butthurt 'gay steampunk dwarfs' guy show up again to try and tell us the nighthaunts look shit?
That scythe looks pretty gay tbqh Everything else seems great though
They look like someone jacked off on some old Necron miniatures
Well, at least it is something resembling a game now. I wonder how long till they bring flank charges and templates back.
You're all soy faggots.
GW didn't back track on the model producer thing at all.
Look how thin these models connections to the bases are. They're fragile as fuck and any amount of transporting is going to leave you with multiple snapped figures.
You say that like it's an issue
Well i picked up the core book and man is this a step in the right direction. Its no WHF but its so different from the 2 page pdf rules of "laugh like a maniac to win the engagement" shit of launch. Which appears to now be entirely dead.
The books a solid full colour hardback with a LOT of fluff and lore. Both fleshing out what happened in the millenia between end times and the creation of the realms to now and from launch to the end of malign portents and the 'necroquake' thats fucked up the status quo.
It explains things that before we just 'fuckin'... i dunno whatever' random shit and filters in more of the pre sigmar stuff. Theres a section about the goddamn ogre kingdoms and feral orcs for example. I have to read it all but immediately an interesting thing is lizardmen appear to be back. in 1st edition the slann survived the end times and conjured the memory of the lizardmen as demons called seraphon. Now however they are listed as "evacuated from the old world with slann magic and called down to serve as noble warriors once again" so i guess the rumours of a huge lizardmen revamp might be true.
Most interesting is a return to points as the default. Not in a generals handbook but the core rules of the game are 1000,2000 or 3000+ points games with specific objectives and strategies instead of the "i play what i want and we agree on one model to kill to win xD" shit.
Overall this feels like a real game finally. It feels like 1st edition was entirely random shat out filler to give them time to make this which feels like the tabletop fantasy game it should have been. Its not the WHF replacement but if they follow this trend by 3rd edition it could get there.
Also the Daughters of Khaine have Slaanesh now. Time for the dank elves to crack out the leather again.
>Mfw Slaaneshes prison is a hole in reality between the realms of light and shadow
>The fucking Eye of Terror.
There is a mumble server running for this game
They look like bedsheet ghosts, and it's retarded as fuck that something that lacks a physical body would be wearing armor. What the fuck are they trying to protect? I could sorta see it working visually if they were depicted as spectral warriors and the armor wasn't physical, but a macabre reflection of the form they had in life, but that isn't what the picture shows. There's also this weird shit going on like the designer couldn't decide if they were supposed to be spectral or skeletal and they have elements of both that go together poorly. For contrast the 8th edition Spirit Hosts also had skeletal elements mixed in with the spectral bits, but it was designed in such a way that it look like it wasn't actual bone, but just wispy ghost parts shaped like bone.
Also, as >>382934 pointed out those things are will fall apart in a slight breeze. (the Spirit Hosts also had this problem).
>people care about this game.
You will never have a lewd wargame because of incompatible kinks and no real limits on what would be allowed.
Sure, you think it sounds great because you get femboy/dickgirl elves (which I fucking hate) but how long are you going to stand for it when the giantess faction rolls out, or the 'beastmen' with a variety of different wangs hanging out, and did I forget to mention vore? Seems like it'd be introduced in a wargame.
If you're a total /d/egenerate, then you could probably get behind it, but if you're only into one or two things it would be a disaster.
Actually, I'm not even a total degenerate, but suddenly I'm curious about the idea. If nothing else every faction would have a clear identity.
You'd face a significant problem unless it is exclusively over the Internet: Your playing partner is going to see your raging boner every time you start moving your giantessess. And you're going to see his (let's be real, it's going to be a male).
>You have to paint the giantesses before you field them
Well congrats. I'm leaving 8ch. /tg/ was the only serviceable board and now it clearly isn't.
>Why would ghosts wear armour
Because it represents their past life and allows for units to be differentiated on the tabletop?
>They look like sheets
They are fucking ghosts what do you want?
>they look like they will fall apart in a breeze, but these 8th edition ones were just wispy ghost parts and thats fine.
Okay. Ghost judge has spoken.
>Because it represents their past life and allows for units to be differentiated on the tabletop?
It looks stupid. A different paint job and maybe it could've worked, but even then it's leather boob armor on a ghost.
>They are fucking ghosts what do you want?
Something that doesn't look like a 5 year old's Halloween costume.
>Okay. Ghost judge has spoken.
I said it was a problem with the 8th edition ones too. If you're going to shill this hard, at least read the things you're trying to argue against.
In the good old days, people were burned at the stake for less. Why can't we just enjoy a tactical wargame with plastic dudes and larp about strategy and heroism without mixing stupidly disgusting fetishes into it?
>Slaanesh players show up.
Finished the Core Book and there is some interesting stuff in there:
>Lizardmen are no longer described as angelic warpspawn
>Soulblight is out and Vampires are back in
>Lots of stuff about 'regretting making the stormcast eternals' which seems very meta
>Nagash made a whirlpool of death using a inverted black pyramid to tomb king 2.0 the realm of death to create Syish Nadir that sucks in all souls aka no new Stormcast can be made ever. Sigmar can only reforge the ones he has and they are becoming increasingly 40k inquisitor tier "every mortal has the taint of chaos and is born guilty"
>Large references to old world races and cultures remade. It even talks about fucking bright wizards.
>Links events across battletomes together e.g: ork attack on shyish turns out to all have been a distraction by the idoneth deepkin to distract nagash after skaven burrowed into the suicide sea and drained it, revealing their cities in shyish they needed to evacuate while the warpseers of the horned rat directed the none pestilens clans of the skaven into shyish to unwittingly cause chaos/warpstone energy to mix with the energy of the necroquake causing spells that never end.
It took 3 years but they finally gave the entire backstory to the realms and their creation/functions and how chaos/order works and it lacks the depth of the multi decade warhammer fantasy world but this is what they should have started with.
My most interesting things to pay attention to are what GW does now. It looks like they are setting up the Stormcast to be phased out in favour of a return of traditional empire style soldiers with a 'seed of hope' city in the realm of life 'famous for their canons and warmachines'. That and using 'vampires' again instead of soul blight. This goes against their retarded copyright paranoia renaming scheme.
What do you think GW's up to with this edition?
>the further you get to the edges of the realm of life the more magic is abundant
>at its edge you are trapped in an endless labyrinth of trees
>any female warriors caught in this land are so suffused with fecundity that they immaculately conceive and suffer endless pregnancies and births forever
i thought the fetish god was contained? this is hard core magical realm tier.
If I have to see the occasional unspoilered disgusting futa daemonette/orc/goblin posted on /tg/ then you have to suffer my ideas!
I'd welcome the good old days and take my business elsewhere if there was somewhere that properly catered for it on here
So Slaanesh is the big bad of 2nd right? It seems like Nagash at first but the more you read into the lore of 2nd its all teasing how Slaanesh actually manifested to be trapped but the necroquake is breaking those chains. This is the first time a chaos god -and this is the same Slaanesh from 40k- has no come out of the warp/chaos realm into reality. Along with that are all these fluff pieces about 'fabulous nights riding armoured, simous steeds decked in flayed human flesh' that don't match the /d/aemon's appearance or style.
My guess is part of the moving stormcast to the background to focus on free peoples isn't just bringing back shit like bright wizards, questing knights and vampires like they used to be but slaaneshi cultists are becoming the new blightlords as a corrupt human faction of chaos. I think this is warhammers S&M period.
Also Sigmars plan to "take all the gates to form a chain and pull it tight to combine all realms into one world" makes me wonder if AoS is an intermediary and its literally Sigmar reforging the old world out of the realms.
May well be, but not planned from the start. I love how the meta of sales and directorship directly influence lore.
Skaven are the only faction to have direct continuity from the Old World, being the most unique and popular, to the point that their god ascended to top rank.
Malal's legal limbo is fitting of his chatacter at every level, in every way.
GW wanted to make the game more kid friendly and so removed the XXX be chaining up Slaanesh. Sales tanked, whole armies literally burned in sacrificial protest, kids not having nearly the same disposable income. Points reinstated, Slaanesh returns in force.
Constant calls for plot progression: two characters 'killed', one killed, calender is shown to be wrong by up to 2k years, a new hodge-podge faction and a new kind of marine. In other words the plot progressed in every direction with all but two steps forward. More spiraled really.
I like it. It seems like old GW was the exact opposite and shit was always rigged to try and push models. I mean people hate Sigmarines and the new rulebook literally says "Only too late did Sigmar Heldenhammer realise the Stormcast Eternals were his greatest mistake".
It could go too far the other way of course but they spin it. Like the big event for 1st was 'the realmgate wars" which was a massive order win, but 2nd has shown it was also part of a larger plan by Tzeentch. Because of course it was. It makes it feel more fluid and like a living fantasy world. I loved Fantasy but it felt like a setting for making tables up. Not actual lore.
Thinking on it AoS 2nd feels more like Malifuax in a lot of ways unrelated to gameplay.
So heres something interesting. Vampires and Strigoi aren't the same, beyond being crazy or not. The Strigoi dotting the realms? Thats the fucking remains of Brettonia.
They survived the old world like the fireslayers but got the soulblight virus. Only they thought it made them immortal questing knights and it was the reward for the grail quest. Only generations of inbreeding and paranoia has turm them into the crazy crypt dwelling shit we have today.
When the stormcast first arrived they tried to join up with them thinking "i see you are a holy warrior in the name of sigmar heldenhammer, we too are holy warrio-" and were promptly killed as their cannibalistic nature had them mistaken for the current rampaging hordes of khorne invading Aqshy en mass at the time.
So brettonians exist but are all senile, immortal nospheratu. Thats a twist.
Holy smokes. They got it worse than anybody.
A footnote about Zoats, a veiled reference to Malal, the reincarnation of dragonogres and I'll say they redeemed AoS.
Not enough for me to buy anything, but enough that I would consider.
I'm just a sucker for the 'this once noble thing has been long gone and beyond repair for so long nobody even remembers what it was' trope.
Often its used more for post-post apocalyptic where verdant overgrowth covers the skeletal remains of concrete and rebar modern day structures, but they aren't objects of worship but simple countryside geography as they have been around forever and serve no purpose so nobody cares. That 'you dont even know what you lost' idea is a subtle but tragic trope.
Seeing the whole grail quest end up being a raw deal ending in inbreeding, degeneracy and societal collapse but unable to truly die is some wishmaster level fuckery but its kind of neat compared to "oh they just wiped them off the table and forgot about them".
-oh and as for malal theres rumblings that there is a new -or very old- chaos god joining the fluff. Nagash's world fucking necroquake is described as "waking something deep in the void with ramifications even the timeless god of the grave had no possible idea of" and since slaanesh is currently in the same sub realm of twilight as shadespire and breaking free with a new army being teased hes not really 'from the deep void' since hes literally manifested in reality already. He's just chained up and breaking free.
I think malal or another chaos god is either being born like slaanesh was in 40k or something very old is coming back and its absence from the old world is the excuse for it 'surviving' the destruction. It simply wasn't there.
I'm not mad since its pretty cool but lorewise holy shit is it the most fucked thing to happen to a fantasy race in a long while.
>Fuck it i'm in
>Buy Soul War box
>Goy friend pays £50 for the Stormcast and the dice
>Use it to replenish my paints and buy a Mortarche of Grief
>its so fucking hot glue wont hold and paint turns to wax
>IN FUCKING ENGLAND
Summer sicks dick.
I’m not mad, I’m just disappointed
Will they ever unfuck the setting and make it not horrible again
I'm sticking to Fantasy if they aren't
It's always going to be fucked. It's just going to be fucked more, you can't unfuck things.
I wish Khadoron Overlords had better models since i like the fluff of them.
>Chaos bursts into reality
>Starts to overflow realm of metal
>In the ultimate act of pulling a 180 surviving duardin abandone their karaks and take their trade vessels up into the deep sky
>discover the blood of one of the dead dwarf gods flows through the air like mis as seams of aether-gold which can power anything
>form huge battlefleets of floating ww2 style aircarriers
>BTFO all of the chaos forces and form a merchantile consortium under a strict codex and survive so long up high that the pressure down on ground level -because a realm isnt a solid world but a discworld in a sphere of aether thats denser and more wider at its surface than the stable center where land is- is dangerous so they live in pressurised diving suits to visit ground again
>dont do this for centuries and survive with minor civil desputes over aether gold claims but weapons so OP chaos can't touch them bar tzeenchian disc riders
>Sigmar creates his stormforged and sends them to every realm to save them from chaos
>Finds every mountain karak empty and full of skeletons
>For centuries the none fireslayer duardin assumed dead
>Come down eventually and even the elves and orcs are in ore of their industrial might
BUT THEY LOOK SO FUCKING STUPID.
May be expensive, but I recommend using 40k's power armoured squats.
Is it wrong that I think that squat terminator looks adorable?
>"och crivens, ahm dooin' me best pappy!"
>guilliman: "you sure are hamish, you sure are"
>[sounds of armor waddling into scrum of tyranids with a tiny power axe and scottish screaming]
Great, so is there anything cool left from WFB age of smegmar hasn't raped to death?
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I mean modern GW writers can go get raped with a rusty spoon (illegal weapon in the UK).
No. Classic Warhammer Fantasy did Brettonian ghouls living out a facade of nobility better anyways.
Sage because fuck bumping Smegmar.