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Welcome to /liberty/, your board for the discussion of politics, society, news, and the human condition without authoritarianism (fascism, full-on communism, etc). The board's philosophy is simple - welcome all discussion from non-authoritarian viewpoints, light moderation, and most importantly of all fun.

We've seen SJWs, we've seen the far right, and we've seen the far left and we've said no, stop this madness - the moralizing authoritarians who seek to control society and shape it to their whims and test out their vague theories would enslave us just to feel that society was better. At /liberty/ we believe we would be best served by sticking to the path we've been on for so long, that of personal liberty.


See the image - if you make the cut, you'll be right at home on /liberty/. Even if you are an authoritarian (far left or far right), you're welcome to join us - just don't expect to be taken seriously.


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There is no such thing as shitposting. It's a vague and subjective concept that boils down to "irreverent posts or things I don't like," and therefore makes a bad yardstick for moderation. If you want discussion without fun, may I suggest another board?

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Help to compile a list of resources (preferably free) about non-authoritarian political thought. If you want to see something added, make a thread to discuss adding things to this list and I'll edit it in here if it's good.

Our list so far:
Please note that inclusion on this list is not an endorsement of a work. What you do with this information is your choice.

The Online Library of Liberty
Find hundreds of writings, books, essays, etc. on classical liberal thought.

Mises Institute
Find dozens of free books, audiobooks, and lectures on libertarian thought from an Austrian school perspective.

The Anarchist Library
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The Fire - Foundation for Individual Rights in Education
These people are your friends - they fight for freedom! FIRE is a non-partisan individual rights advocacy group that seeks to defend freedom of speech, legal equality, due process, religious liberty, and sanctity of conscience on American college and university campuses.
Website: http://www.thefire.org/
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/TheFIREorg

American Enterprise Institute
The AEI is a nonpartisan public policy research institute. Everything from American politics to international events and beyond.
Website: https://www.aei.org/
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/AEIVideos

Learn Liberty
A project of the Institute for Humane Studies, a libertarian non-profit. Learn about economics, public policy, and more.
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Ok, so ITT: /liberty/ describes their ideal marriage partner/waifu.

What's it gonna be? Trad thots? Modern sluts? 2D only? Non-whites? Traps? How high are your standards? What would you absolutely not want to see in a woman? Would you date a commie? Would you date someone with piercings/tattooes? Would you date someone who drinks/smokes? What else?

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Honestly, I just want a pure, lovely, trap wife. The mind of a girl, broken by society. It'd be nice if she was a virgin, and even if she has manface, the truth is that I'd get used to it and learn to love her. It'd be cute how broken and shy she'd be.

As long as she was loyal and tried to be the ideal traditional girl, I'd love her very much.



I'm into 3DPD, but make the worst choices. I get told I'm good looking and athletic, which does make the younger girls interested in me. Too bad, I want a woman my age and a super market shelf stacker job does not do it for them. A good majority of the normie women want your wallet first. You can be a neckbeard with a beer gut, as long as you have a car to drive them places and live alone for them to move in, you're set. Every girl I go after turns out to already be in a relationship with a better provider. They do admit I'm far more attractive and pleasant to be around, but aren't going to leave a guy with higher income for me. If you are in a similar position to mine, don't indulge them. They might fuck you, but they'll never see you as anything more.

Maybe the gommies will sell us some budget GFs? I don't want to exist as a resource for her to leech off of.



> I get told I'm good looking and athletic, which does make the younger girls interested in me.

So what's the problem? I'm almost 25, and I'm looking for a girl who's around 20, because younger girls are less likely to have been dicked already.

>I don't want to exist as a resource for her to leech off of.

I couldn't give a fuck really. I'd prefer a NEET wife who takes care of the house while I do all the breadwinning.



> I'm almost 25

I'm 25 and no girl that is not at least 5 years younger is interested in me seriously, and girls around that age can not be trusted with a long term relationship. They're still in their yolo age where they think and feel like doing whatever the fuck. Most aren't virgins after 16 anyway.

> I'd prefer a NEET wife who takes care of the house while I do all the breadwinning.

I can already do that myself. I want to keep prioritizing jobs with more free time left for me to spend with that wife. Yes, I do have friends, but I still want a relationship that has more to it than sex once in a while. I am moving up the income ladder, but my priority will remain the same. Less working hours, not as higher pay. My parents barely raised me at all. I want to be the dad that was there with a mother that is no less present. I was literally dumped over to my grandparents to raise me, spent first to third grade with my parents, and moved back out because they happened to suck. Might be because they never tried. They repeated the same shit with my brother because condoms don't exist.


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People say that Germany became an industrial powerhouse because National Socialism was flawless, yet they dont say what did they actually do to make Germany so productive (natsoc doctrine says productivity = wealth), was it really a success or it only grew so quickly because of a artificial demand made by the goverment on heavy industry?

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why do poor people have freedom


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Why do stupid people have freedom? If they're bound to always be outsmarted, then they can never be made equal, unless we lower the average IQ down to a universal level.

They're free as in free to act within the restrictions of our legal system of justice. Freedom makes any sense only within those social bounds. Outside that it's only whim and power with nothing to justify or rebut it.

Like every single other action, if you take it all the way back to its basis, it becomes absurd. We base our ethical theory of private property because even though it's impossible to give a completely non-arbitrary definition of what and how much of it can be someone's property when first acquired, at least after that it becomes an objective constant. To have order we need certainty. The more of it the better. If only existence itself weren't absurd, everything would be perfect. Humans aren't very good at making sense of inconsistencies. Imagine if the laws of physics also randomly changed every single day. There is no known reason why they should exist at all, but at least they do and remain static.

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>he thinks I'm a polnigger



Less likeable. Regardless of policies, fundamentalist Dominionist Christian types just come off as weird to the average American, and it would have been far more difficult for him to win. Also, back in the days of the primary it looked like Trump would have been more isolationist than Cruz, which made him more appealing. Obviously that idea's been blown out of the water now, but hindsight is 20/20.




Don't be a retard anon.



not really



They're pretty non-specific, so an ancap answer can be considered commie to them if it's non-economic and usually considered a leftie stance.

Also, I think they mean subsidies, as normans think in terms of statism.



Capital Facism? fascism is socialism and those values are more accurate for a nomad tribe.

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is he an atheist?



no, he worships money


Unlikely. His writings show he has a great appreciation for the role of religion in a covenant community, so even if he's not a full believe he is most assuredly not a fedora-tipper.



Likely. He doesn't care too much about it.



Yeah. He's either a theist or an agnostic that very much appreciates religion.

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what dont you like in the burgerland?


Lots of things.

Still beats most places in Europe or Asia.


A short list:

A government that has gone out of its way to ensure that every last member of its citizenry has broken or is in the process of breaking multiple laws

An education system that unsurprisingly has been turned into a stultifying propaganda dispensing system by the government

A citizenry that, as a result of that propaganda, believes things like Abraham Lincoln was a great president and the South were a bunch of evil bigots and deserved absolutely everything the North did to them



In addition to what this guy >>93436 said,

A regulatory hellscape that makes us unfriendly to private. enterprise, except for those firms that make use of regulatory capture.

Being the place where Keynes' shitty ideas were lionized.

Being Israel's attack dog, and the driving force behind interventionist nation-building.

A massive welfare state that shits on our historical legacy of hardy pioneers and homesteaders.

Finishing what Robespierre started and bringing the blight of democracy en masse to Europe.

Founding the League of Nations and the UN after that.

Killing Rhodesia.

A "world reserve" fiat currency that bails out other fiat currencies when they fail

Imposing the petrodollar onto the world, allowing us to increase our money supply without increasing inflation as much, which causes retards to use the US as proof that monetary inflation has nothing to do with price inflation.

That in spite of all these failings, this is still a far and away better place to kindle freedom than the second-best option.

This is far from an exhaustive list.


The state

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/leftypol/: I wouldn't be a worker, i'd be a card carrying member of the party!

/liberty/: I wouldn't be a worker, i'd be a successful bussiness owner!

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>Leftyshit turn out to be democracycuck as well




>synonyms are synonyms

Wierd, huh? But don't worry, on account of your penchant for authoritarianism, YOU get the Stalinism!


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>I wouldn't be an employee all my life. I'd be a small business owner with a small family.

It's not really that unrealistic, anon. Maybe besides the wife and child. Maybe not none of us, but in general we're not looking to get rich. Just leave us alone and save us the helicopter fuel expenses. They're not cheap to ride, you know.


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But there are many factors that go into production, not just capital goods as you seem to think. Time is necessarily a factpr of production, and is thus a part of the means needed to produce something. Sone degree of labour is, as well, though the process may be fully automated when it has been put into use. Land (i.e non-durable goods) is needed to produce any good, as all economic processes are made with the present expectation of future consumption.

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How do we un-brainwash nu-/pol/faggots?

/liberty/ is pretty much the continuation of the real 4chan /pol/ before it got nuked and cucked by m00t.

/pol/ here on 8ch AKA nu/pol/ is a cancerous cesspit of literal LARPing neo-nazis and actual white supremacists (strange how these words have lost their meaning because commies blame everyone on being a nazi). How do we combat the incessant stormfaggotry? /pol/ leak and hijack other boards, /v/ is already full of stormfaggots and the mods actively ban conservative posters.

When we take back our country, leftist commie marxists will be thrown out of helicopters, but what do we do with the equally retarded morons on the alt-right?

Educate or Execute?

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politely but firmly escort /pol/ from the premises

if they come back, mcnuke them


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I like being around newfags.



I don't. Get out, newfag



Not that guy, but there is a difference between the races as percieved socially, and the consistent genetic differences between them. Y'know, races are in social/political setting seen as mainly skin colour, while the scientific differences are more consistent in for instance skull shape. Meds in general can be considered non-white (though debatably so), but they're definitely caucasian. Indians are black/brown, but they're surely not kongoid.

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/liberty/ seems like slightly more of a neutral party than /pol/. What the hell is going on? I've been hearing that Republicans committed voter fraud in Arizona, I've been hearing that Democrats committed voter fraud in Broward County, Florida. Then I think there was some more in Michigan, but I don't know by which party? And maybe Texas too, but I don't know by which party either? What's going on, who's doing what?

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I like Jefferson. Really, I do.

But at no point should the voting process been opened to anyone without skin in the game.

Would you let some random joe off the street vote in a boardroom meeting at your company alongside people who had stakes in the company?



Jefferson was a cool guy, his only problem was believing freedom was related to democracy. I often fantasize about what might have been were he the first Monarch of the United Confederate States.


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The problem is those with skin in the game in the Federalist Party at the time included faggots like Hamilton trying to establish central banking and nationalized debt. It's always in the interest of a corrupt cabal to establish itself as the centre of power over its equals and the ideal was that the popular mass of freedom loving citizens would stop them. It became a mass of slaves instead.



Point taken. Aaron Burr should have gotten pissed off sooner.


It's really Blue Goldman Sachs. or Red Goldman Sachs. On a macro scale. Same for all mature democracies.

Think there's a good chance we advance to a Type 1 Civilization without realizing that the banking system was above governments during this era. Not that it matters really. People maybe would have been happier without the pantomime though. Some very worked up people out there shouting at each other.

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How do we surpass the Chinese?

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>Your arguement is basically just the American Grand cope of predicting Muh paper tiger collapse any day now!!!!!

Economical crisis and inflation is a myth! You just have to try harder and communism will be built, i promise, just throw more bodies at it. You're literally a parasitic bacteria in the body of humanity.

>Land or Residency being rented out for a Profit is Landlordism which Dosent make the room a means of production in itself but allows for the exploitation of the occupant

Muh snowflake means of production. Nobody cares, anything can be used or converted into capital goods and there's nothing you can do about it. Your 'personal property" is only possible via state control of the people and works by limiting their financial options intervening between themunlike actual property and could limit anything else just as well. There's no logical difference between prohibition of renting and prohibition of using red colors.

You've got nothing beyond muh exploitation and the only way you can defend it is by repeating the same claims over and over in circles until anyone who debates you goes away.

Ignore the board shitting leftist faggot, filter the leftist faggot, don't respond to leftist faggot, you'll get nothing but waste your time and disappointment from looking at this deceitful mindless drone.



>Ignore the board shitting leftist faggot, filter the leftist faggot, don't respond to leftist faggot, you'll get nothing but waste your time and disappointment from looking at this deceitful mindless drone

This. I don't understand why the fuck you keep entertaining him.



This is a slow-ass board, anon, humoring lefty tardposting with replies is most of the activity we get. We're just about all anarchists here, so there aren't many anarchy/minarchy discussions. The only points of contention we have to discuss are free banking and IP/copyright. I'd actually like to see more of the former, but we only have 1-2 free bankers on here that I've seen, and banks don't seem to be interesting to hold the attention of more than a couple posters.


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Ok, so you aren't the ones entertaining him, he's the one entertaining you.



Actually, since we're both expending approximately the same amount of effort to type these posts, the LVT says all of our posts have the same value, therefore it's impossible for one of us to exploit profit from the other by being entertained :^).

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>socks are equally valuable to an amputee because it took labor to make them

How can anyone actually believe this?

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>That is not what I was referring to. I was referring to the rate of process improvement increasing. Increasing these projects increases the rate.

This seems correct

>That leaves a group of strangers engaging in associations and “unstrangering” themselves.

No, not really. Because there is a free market doesn't mean people will associate more with each other.

>Courts or arbitration.

How are such courts monetized? What prevents a big business from "donating" large sums of money to the court? Who enforces the decisions?

>If supply of coal in one geographic area is low, production picks up slack in other areas.

In the meantime coal production is reduced leading to damage in coal dependent sectors.

>No, the states wanted to enter into those wars to enrich themselves. EIC was a chartered company heavily invested by the state and was a branch of the state in all but name.

EIC constantly traded with english companies, whether it was a state or not it benefited them. Also if everything was going fine before, why go to war? Colonization gave competitive advantage to the countries engaged in it and their companies.

>Regardless whether it is its primary function or not, the fact is the state holds a monopoly of force over a command economy, hence not capitalism.

This sounds very similar to the "not true socialism" left you criticize (I'm not one of them). A state can exist without being a welfare state, therefore we can deduce that the welfare function of a state is 1)not a necessary part of it and 2)the welfare state is good at maintaining the status quo.

>Classes are spooks, my man.

Yeah I'm sure there's no difference between a slave and a master or a proletarian and a capitalist. Worker strikes doPost too long. Click here to view the full text.



>They can't in a free market

Yes they can.

>We don't live in a free market so making real world examples doesn't justify your case

That excuse only works if not being in a free market changes the thing in question.

>Also without copyright laws there is no way to actual maintain a successful brand without dominating the market

As the first person to come out with a product you have a head start.



>That excuse only works if not being in a free market changes the thing in question.

But it does change the things in question. In a free market those products would be allowed to be identical to the original and sold everywhere.

>As the first person to come out with a product you have a head start.

Have you ever heard of corporate espionage? Also, it doesn't matter if a small business gets a head start, a big business has the means to propagate their products further and more successfully.



>In a free market those products would be allowed to be identical to the original and sold everywhere

If I am not Bob and don't have Bob's permission, I cannot make beer that is identical to Bob's beer and sell it in identical packaging because that's fraud.

>Have you ever heard of corporate espionage

because Taco Bell is totally going to break into your dinky fucking food truck to steal your family recipe for guacamole.

Also, it doesn't matter if a small business gets a head start, a big business has the means to propagate their products further and more successfully

it would still be an uphill battle in areas where the small business operates.



>If I am not Bob and don't have Bob's permission, I cannot make beer that is identical to Bob's beer and sell it in identical packaging because that's fraud.

Ok, maybe the packaging changes, but the product remains the same. You could also make similar products alongside the identical ones, like what coca cola company does with their sodas.

>because Taco Bell is totally going to break into your dinky fucking food truck to steal your family recipe for guacamole.

>implying Taco Bell cares about that specific recipe

So, yes if that specific recipe is so successful they could attempt to acquire it or buy them out. Also by small business I don't only mean local but also upcoming competitors.

>it would still be an uphill battle in areas where the small business operates.

Big business has access to better technology, more trained employees, better marketing etc. There could be some small businesses that operate in a small area but they wouldn't pose a threat.

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I couldn't care about watching the video, but since everyone is calling OP a fag, I might as well do it too. You're a big flaming faggot OP.



Unions are literally instrument of political lobbyism and shilling for d*mocracy won't change it. There's no voluntarism in robbing a store, you leftist shitter.



Because without the state giving them privileges over business they most likely wouldn't exist. They increase costs, reduce efficiency, and just drive businesses to either hire a new set of laborers or leave the region entirely.



As long as they exercise no physical violence I'm fine with it. Lobbying the Government, however, is an absolute no.



I have no objections that a good deal of businesses have very poor schedule management. It's also why a good deal of businesses don't stand at the top. They tend to suck a lot harder than the best. What though, is the point that is supposed to be made? It seems like the video is conflating time spent working efficiently and time spent in general. If all of the current work that needs to be done can be done by less people for a shorter amount of time it's downsizing time. That still leaves me with active time of day and money to be invested. I could either diversify elsewhere, or if I find others that want to work those hours out of their own volition, employ those. It would be great if no union steps in to lobby the State to restrict me and the other workers from going about our business while they're being outcompeted

Where is the BTFO in all this? I don't mind the question, that we have to guess, is being raised and am in the mood to be civil about it, because it has merit, but please, never make another post without explaining yourself. Dropping someone else's text or media with nothing to add of your own is a post without a topic, and those (don't) get deleted. You don't want to be a faggot now, do you?

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what does liberty think about molymeme?

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-→ >>93335

What he said.



where is he inconsistent?



Sometimes he insists that he is le enlightened rational philosopher, free of labels. Other times, he will make ancap-ish arguments. Other times, especially when he covers elections/politics, he becomes an undying conservative and rants and raves about the left's tactics.



>He seems to me to think that he is smarter than he really is


>He's horrifically fucking inconsistent


He's ok. He has biases that can get in the way of his reasoning, and he attempts to exert a lot of control on the direction of his interviews and debates. I remember watching him talking with someone about the future of AI and he outright refused to accept the possibility that AI could possibly surpass humans in technical and creative fields and kept trying to steer the discussion away from that premise.

Presumably he thinks he has some credibility in that field because he used to be some kind of a programmer. I think he fell for the "AI is just a bunch of if statements" meme. Also ever since Trump has been elected he and the rest of the eceleb crowd have been pulling off some wild 4D chess shit to justify things like having Bolton on.


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