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/leftypol/ seriously needs to step up its game in creating informative content that can be used for reusable refutations of /pol/ and other anticommunist propaganda. However, most people are not graphic designers and don't know how to make infographics that are attractive, readable, and well-organized (myself included). In order to make good graphic designs accessible to the wider /leftypol/ population, I'm calling on all artists on /leftypol/ to help contribute to a free and open source infographic tool kit and design guide. We should make it in the .xcf file format compatible with GIM, or Inkscape so that it is usable by the widest range of people for free, and doesn't phone home to Adobe.



Here is a starter file:


As well, I intend to use a custom CSS for this board. Our goals should be for it to be unobtrusive and simple, and for it to convey the same information that the default CSS does. People are welcome to suggest CSS rules for /leftypol/ to make it look better.

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>the facts are on our side

No, they're really not.

>when the racists say they would accept sharia law over what you are selling you know you have a problem lads.

I don't think I'd characterize being unable to dissuade retards from their delusional fantasies a "problem."

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>Honeybees make decisions collectively–and democratically. Every year, faced with the life-or-death problem of choosing and traveling to a new home, honeybees stake everything on a process that includes collective fact-finding, vigorous debate, and consensus building. In fact, as world-renowned animal behaviorist Thomas Seeley reveals, these incredible insects have much to teach us when it comes to collective wisdom and effective decision making. A remarkable and richly illustrated account of scientific discovery, Honeybee Democracy brings together, for the first time, decades of Seeley's pioneering research to tell the amazing story of house hunting and democratic debate among the honeybees.

>In the late spring and early summer, as a bee colony becomes overcrowded, a third of the hive stays behind and rears a new queen, while a swarm of thousands departs with the old queen to produce a daughter colony. Seeley describes how these bees evaluate potential nest sites, advertise their discoveries to one another, engage in open deliberation, choose a final site, and navigate together–as a swirling cloud of bees–to their new home. Seeley investigates how evolution has honed the decision-making methods of honeybees over millions of years, and he considers similarities between the ways that bee swarms and primate brains process information. He concludes that what works well for bees can also work well for people: any decision-making group should consist of individuals with shared interests and mutual respect, a leader's influence should be minimized, debate should be relied upon, diverse solutions should be sought, and the majority should be counted on for a dependable resolution.

>An impressive exploration of animal behavior, Honeybee Democracy shows that decision-making groups, whether honeybee or human, can be smarter than even the smartest individuals in them.

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Human's aint bees nigga.

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Why was this thread locked, when blatant /pol/ bait runs rampant? Mods ought to set their priorities straight.

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>How can you call yourselves leftist politically incorrect?

/leftypol/ posters are allowed to voice opinions that offend liberals, SJWs, and so on. All sects on the left are allowed to post on /leftypol/, leading to plenty of fighting and shitflinging between leftists, which other forums might ban. However, this was only a minor consideration in the naming of /leftypol/. Since the concept is simply a leftist version of /pol/, the entire name of /pol/ was retained.

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Richard D. Wolff: Had a great conversation with @jimmy_dore on the @JimmyDoreShow yesterday.



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Would Lee Camp be considered leftist? Or is he just a social democrat by your standard?

>Goldman Sachs: Curing Disease Is Bad For Business!


Do you agree with him it's time to get rid of the market-driven economy?

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most socdems are keynesian which is not anti-capitalist, but there are more "radical" ones out there as well.


>he said something about capitalism being flawed

>obviously he's /ourguy/ and will fight with us for revolution!

every fucking time…



He didn't say capitalism was flawed, he said capitalism was the problem itself. >>2498762



yeah, they do that too in occasion

dore did so too

they have these moments where they go "not crony capitalism but capitalism!", but when they calm down they keep slip back to their old ways and reformists apologism

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How can a lefty exploit this to their advantage? Is it too soon to try? DOW down about 1000 points since Thursday.


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Is there some kind of cyber posadism: where communism is brought through the robots rebelling instead of nuclear war?


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well deserved get


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I know that everyone on the left has numerous disagreements with everyone else on the left, but why does it seem that everyone hates Maoists. I'm not looking for criticism of Mao, per say, but why do people hate Maoist organizations in general. The only solid criticism I've seen on here have been of the Third Worldists, but they are just a segment of Maoists and from what I understand there are strong disagreements with them amongst other Maoists, yet other Maoists get dismissed out of hand. The closest Maoist group near me is FRSO, and I know some people in it who look like they are engaged good work, but when I look online it appears that other socialists have a problem with their presence in organizations. tl;dr: What's the deal with Maoists?

t. someone with ultraleft tendencies who just started reading about maoist ideas like the mass line and am intrigued by it

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The goal of socialism is not to make Xi Jinping (or any other Party official) have a diminished quality of life.

Tiannemen Square proved that the socialists in CHina still have political power and the economic crisis of 2008 proved that Chinas mode of Production is socialist



>Chinese mode of production is socialist

Okay, I am done. Are you a CPC member or something? You bring shame to Lenin hat.



party members not being billionaires or multimillionaires does not mean they will have a diminished quality of life, they should live analogous to the people.



And how did Tiannemen Square prove that socialists had power in china? they literally just killed a bunch protesters, many of which were socialists.



No, that was a Nato backed coup trying to undermine and destroy Socialist China

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>The absolute goy

holy shit is that real?


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Yeah, this was tweeted by their main account. Particularly entertaining that John McDonnell follows them.



that's just based as fuck



Jewdas are fucking hilarious man.



>Mark Drakeford is probably the next First Minister of Wales. Just days after Carwyn Jones revealed his plan to stand down from the Welsh Labour leadership post at party conference in Llandudno, Jeremy Corbyn ally Drakeford announced his bid and is already tipped to win the race.


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So here we are friends, Sanders is proposing the Job Guarantee and there is a lot of huffing and puffing as both liberals and leftists alike argue about whether or not they think it is realistic, affordable, desirable etc.

I think bringing this idea back into the mainstream is more radical and challenging to the status quo than UHC, and while UBI made people consider whether or not capitalism as we know it will last due to automation, I think the differences between JG and UBI makes people grapple with ideas about their social role in poduction. A UBI can be good, but it suggests a certain desire for unfetter individualism within the capitalist mode of production. You are supported for nothing, finally liberated to do anything you want (within the bounds of the UBI, obviously. But if you want to be a surf bum, you won't be starving). The JG on its own requires work, but also hands control of the reserve army of labor to the state completely. This is one of the capitalist class' most prized assets, the ability to pull from the unemployed freely at low cost. It's such an asset, our central banking system's monetary policy is designed to increase unemployment when the reserve army gets too low. The JG socializes marginal labor, and compels us to make decisions on what to do collectively. Should we tell people to dig ditches, or should they build housing? Should they rake leave, or should they modernize our energy grid? The unemployed truly become our responsibility because now we are compelled to give them something to do. I think this was the best article on it available: https://democracyjournal.org/magazine/44/youre-hired/

So how you feel leftypol? Pic unrelated, can't be fucked to get a picture of Bernie Sanders or something.

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No, you don't get it maaan. It's utopian to change three 40-hour jobs in the public sector into four 30-hour jobs. It's just the way things are. On the one side people have to work all day and make the food and clothing and everything else for stock owners, landlords, and the unemployed with their activity. And on the other side you have people who don't work and have a wonderful or dreadful life. Now, UBI makes the life of those who are in the group no work and dreadful life somewhat better and for that we have to either shave something off from the powerful group of well-off people who don't work (good luck with that) or extract more from the people who do work. And that's very realistic and the working class loves to hear about paying more for the unemployed instead of turning unemployment into employment. And also, like that tweet said, with UBI instead of JG we don't waste so much money and training on the unemployed, we just say: fuck the idea of ever integrating you idiots into society, you are the eternal loser caste. Other people, please pay more for these useless untermenschen. Yeah, I don't see how that could cause social conflict.



What liberals and their ilk mean by UBI is very different from what we would understand as UBI. Mainly, their understanding of the policy does not involve a living stipend, which completely subverts the very point of UBI.



It is totally disheartening. I suspect that not a little of the problem is the creeping mind poison of voluntarism, the gift economy, and FALC. If people are under the delusion that we can simply move into a gift economy where quasi magical automation will ensure that all our needs align perfectly with our willingness to produce this or that as if it were a hobby, they will be in for a rude awakening. Labour remains scarce, and the way any one individual might choose to spend their time need not be socially useful. At least with a job guarantee you ensure that the time of the otherwise unemployed is directed to a socially usefull task, and in the process you cut off the social power that the capitalist has over the worker via a threat of unemployment. It's a stepping stone to a perfectly planned economy, which is the only way to start to rationaly reduce collective time spent labouring without disrupting the carrying out of socially neccesary labour.



It does seem a bit utopian to me. The argument is usually either about post-scarcity automation that hasn't happened yet, or it's about "splitting human worth from work". Which is fine in sentiment, I don't want peoples sole value to be their utility as a worker either. But it also seems like a utopian reason to pursue some kind of political action. When it comes to your relationship to the social product, it IS determined by your social labor. That's why Marx advocated for replacing currency with labor vouchers in lower stage communism. It revealed the relation to production of your work, that your abstract labor was used to build up the social product. It seems like the emphasis on a right to live regardless of work has no relationship to any particular material analysis, it's just an ideological position based in natural rights that obfuscates the fact that while you become entitled to a certain amount of the social product through your basic income, it is dependent on social labor and social production which you still have no more significant control of.

It's possible the capitalist class would be better off, since now they don't have to directly support you, just offer you a little more than the basic income. Some people seem to think this would make workers only choose to do great jobs, but I don't see why. Your income would still mostly go to rent, food, clothes, gas, other bills like insurance. The market demand for goods is still in all of the same places, those are the jobs that will be out there. Employers don't have to compete with your basic income, it just subsidizes their ability to continue offering you as little as they can. Unless basic income is very generous, I assume most people will still feel compelled to work. If they didn't, we'd have a larger problem. If they all just felt like making YouTube videos and music that'd be a catastrophe, but it seems like most UBI advocates assure anybody who actually worries about that that it won't happen because people enjoy working or they'll want more, which I agree with to an extent but that just puts us back at saying "actually the job market will look basically the same, don't worry". We've eliminated poverty, so that's good, but where has Post too long. Click here to view the full text.


UBI and JG are both shit.

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It is with a heavy heart that I must share the heart-wrenching news.

This is the end of line, fellas. We are to leave and never return.

I shall hope for everyone's well-being and safety. Farewell, comrades.

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he probably never said the quote posted in OP either



SHHH! that's the point


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Ebin. Hope BO scum lets the image be uploaded.


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How can you defend let alone support such a system when we know for a fact that it killed millions through famine alone? At some point the central government even deliberately targeted an ethnic group for destruction, with local produce being exported and foreign aid getting diverted as people died of hunger by the thousands in the street. In the end, one fifth of the total population was wiped out by failed policy and outright persecution. Is this what you want?

(Pic unrelated, I'm talking about the Great Irish Famine)

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🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧eternal anglo🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧


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This is what happens when you don't read OP entirely.



> Stalin did more for those ungrateful Jews than any guy ever

> he would have shot little zionist shits like you

the only thing separating /pol/ and /leftypol/ is the latter believes unironically in a hegelian conception of money



>anti-zionism = /pol/

fuck off sionista

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Should it be illegal for employers to require women to wear high heels?

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>I picked you first, you posted a story and made a cool little backstory for yourself.

Take my word for it or don't, but fuck off with this idea of having a "choice" in workplace safety. The reality is your decisions regarding safety not only effect you but the others around you. No one wants to see the people they work with get hurt on the job or killed, no one wants to see or hear people spreading the idea or displaying that such an attitude towards safety is ok. Whether you like it or not, your injuries on the job become the job of another person to take care of and in some cases may put their life at risk to do so. This is explicit in firefighting, because if you get injured because you decided that for whatever fucking reason to not wear your flashhood or not check your pack condition and air percentage before entering or not make sure to have a proper seal on your mask because you thought that this would just be another routine call like a kitchen fire and all you'd be doing is humping hose through the hall, and you get injured or disoriented because of it, that means we have one more person to worry about detracting us from doing the rest of our job and from other victims because helping and saving other firefighters always goes above any other victim rescue. I shouldn't even have to use any emergency service as an example, not following safety guidelines and protocols in any kind of work, especially trades, is liable to getting both yourself and others hurt or killed. They showed saw a video once while in machining of a man being pulled into the lathe he was working with and his friend trying to go and help him. Nobody wants to fucking see that or be the one to experience that. Again, believe me or don't believe me, but fuck off with this infantile thinking that your actions are somehow outside of or removed from others or the workplace. You don't just live in your own little self-contained world.





With certain scope with regards convenience and dignity, dress codes are a good thing. This applies exponentially to school uniform policies.

By skipping uniform policies, either at work or at school, you reopen the can of worms that is consumerist self expression. This has two elements - the first is the obvious undesirability of self-expression via commodities to begin with, and the second is the creation of a much greater class barrier.

Let us consider McDonalds. Now, McDonald's uniform is demeaning - but imagine how much worse the situation would be if you had the rich-kids working their summer job wearing expensive, fancy, socially acceptable clothing and the 50 year old ex-steelmill employees wearing tattered rags still covered in dirt from when they were working a real job. Not only does this make the situation even more demeaning, it stands as a massive disincentive to organising and to the early elements of class-conscious behaviour. When the middle and "genuine" working class wear the same uniform, they see themselves both in the same position - outside the uniform, they wear the uniform of their social (as distinct from economic relationship to MoP) class.

Furthermore there are advantages in identifiability, both in practical terms (knowing who to ask for help) and in iconographic terms, though these are less severe.


Nah miss me with that shit.

The social edge case is that if you don't have to dress up like a wanker in a high-vis and a hard hat, cool people won't do it and then uncool normal people will have to choose between looking like a wanker and not losing a limb. When you make it mandatory, everyone can pretend to be cool by bitching about it while keeping all their limbs.



>Yeah you shouldn't be able to make people wear shit just because you don't want them to die. People should be free to determine what level of safety they wish upon themselves.

Fuck off. I'd get a nervous breakdown watching retarded co-workers work without proper safety gear. If you wanna die, do it where it doens't fuck up other people.


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>This goes to all of you really, where do you draw the line?

Common sense and democratic consensus seem the best places to draw the line. The slippery slope is a fallacy for a reason, my dude. Life is short, and I (nor anyone else I suspect) would prefer not to waste too much time having to re-litigate whether or not helmets should be worn at work every time your autistic ass shows up. If something as banal as safety regulations is where you locate any kind of meaningful (un)freedom that justifies autistically posting walls upon walls of text, then the problem would very much seem to be with you, not with sensible safety regulations. This pseudo-religious zeal is most peculiar. What kind of sheltered existence do you live that this of all things can put you on your horse?

Am I letting myself be trolled here? Possible. But as long as the volume originally posted text remains in excess of the responses, it is not a very good troll.


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ITT: movies, anime, music, feels, e-celebs, internet drama, fetishes, shitposting, etc.

This is a voluntary thread that users can choose to post in, if… I forgot the rest of whatever the old OP was. Honestly, I just wanted to bring this old thread back.

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The news keeps going on about the incel bit, but can he truly be referred to as incel, Wouldn't volcel be the correct appellation? He's rich so he could've paid for it, right?




>It has been noted that aside from Playstation Nintendo has always had the largest slave fanbase in the world, they'll pay money to them at any length even if they got offered a legal free NX they'd still throw money to the floor and lick Nintendo's boots like good little whores.

Nintendo fans slavishly supported Nintendo through the lean, lean years of the n64 and GameCube, only for Nintendo to turn right around and shit all over their fans for being basement dwelling losers the second the wii started taking off. How anyone could devote themselves to Nintendo after that is mind boggling.



don't we have to support US revolutionary forces in their struggle against British imperialism or something



Lol good. Using the trespassing thing against them is pretty beautiful. 9/10 of them ar ancaps, right? That's my understanding at least. Usually I'd say fuck it, but that's just funny what you did.

Sorry you gotta deal with assholes all the time, being a bartender that is.



Was that before or after you keyed the cars with stickers you don't like?

All of these kinds of stories just seem like false flags to me.

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So since the attack in Toronto yesterday, leaving 10 dead and many more injured, it has come out that the perpetrator was potentially a self-declared incel who praised Elliot Roger. Facebook confirmed that he made a post on Facebook minutes before the attack declaring an "incel rebellion."

A lot of this stuff is sort of only half confirmed right now, but there's no reason to believe it was an islamist attack or anything so the incel explanation is the most likely thing so far. Whether or not it turns out to be true however, I thought it would be a good opportunity to start a thread discussing mental health under capitalism.

How does capitalism and life under it effect people's mental health? How does it effect social cohesion? How does capitalism incite this sort of violence? How does it effect romantic relationships? Are there any good books that deal with how "late-capitalism" effects our emotional, mental, and social state? Discuss and possibly post/link relevant articles, literature, etc. As well feel free to share your own personal experiences to inform the discussion.

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gommunism can only help you get a gf.

>b-but I'm ugly

Just get some labor vouchers to get a plastic surgery you dolt.

>b-but I'm poor

No one will live in poverty unable to sustain a family or at least a two-people ""marriage""

>b-but I'm autistic

With the free time and communal structures you'll get under socialism you'd at least be able to function in society in some way.



>Just get some labor vouchers to get a plastic surgery you dolt.

Plastic surgery is fucking retarded.



1.- not an argument

2.- just get one you ugly motherfucker


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volcel is the only path

mandatory abortions for all

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