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File: 49caf6e0b418de8⋯.jpg (294.7 KB, 800x550, 16:11, e1ef91295b33b0066a68f1fcf1….jpg)

 No.1[Reply]

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 No.73165

>>73157

I bumped several like selfimporvement and rojava general to keep them safe, he or someone else was bumping the last threads in the catalogue around the same time though.

>>73133

I dunno, it seems like there's often 8 hours or so between mod action. While this could be due to our relatively free rules, maybe compare notes in the hotpocket chat and see if there are any times that could use reinforcement.




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 No.1128[Reply]

I started reading Thomas More's Utopia recently and was wondering if we could get a thread going about left wing literature. Anyone else read this and have thoughts on the book? Can it be considered proto-socialist?

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 No.72396

>>72362

The third link is all about the shift from socialism to market socialism my nikitia khrushchev.




File: c2d969084b516ee⋯.jpeg (111.25 KB, 960x720, 4:3, 5470A082-7DCA-4D23-919A-1….jpeg)

 No.72546[Reply]

Unironically what did he do wrong? I used to think it was a meme that he was great but he is honestly came closer to Communism than any other previous society on Earth:

>forcibly evacuated the major cities (bourgeoisie BTFO)

>anti-Imperialism against Vietnamese aggression

>abolished money

>abolished private property

>rapid deindustrialization

Inb4 “it’s utopian socialism reeeee”

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 No.73482

>>73467

Sure, we believe your atrocity propaganda, of course. And he worked for CIA right?, so it all is US fault, right? Capitalism murders again.

>they made us yntellectyals work on fields, weeeee weeeeee


 No.73493

>>73482

surely you jest, as urbanite culture is full of money hungry degenerates anyways.


 No.73494

>>72709

the former monarch was eastern bloc friendly thou.


 No.73505

>>73482

I don't really know or care about that, but I lived in Cambodia for a little while, and the horrible impacts of the Khmer Rouge are painfully obvious. To be frank, I have no desire to go back there.




File: e338920cdad42e6⋯.png (50.57 KB, 1000x1000, 1:1, zenarchy.png)

 No.73469[Reply]

What forms of religion and spirituality are most compatible with socialism, anarchism, etc.?

Zen Buddhism, particularly the Soto school, seems to fit well with anarchism, given its emphasis on questioning and seeing through false social constructs. Taoism also fits, and notably Zhuangzi is sometimes pointed to as an early left-libertarian thinker. The ancient Chinese philosopher Mo Tzu seems like a proto-Marxist, based on his ideas on universal love and utilitarianism.

Pantheism and panentheism are conducive to collectivistic economics and collective action, so that includes religions like Sikhism, as well as certain Sufist traditions like the Bektashi.

Quakerism's contemplativeness, anti-hierarchy tendencies, and social responsibility seem to lend themselves to the left. Of course, there's Tolstoy's Christian anarchism, as well as the liberation theology tradition within Catholicism.

Jewish communities had Bundism, but it almost seems like that (and anarchism) lent themselves more to more secular and philosophically-minded Jewish humanists.

It's a little bit silly, but some members of the Satanic Temple can speak pretty eloquently and effectively about both individualist philosophy, as well as progressive politics.

 No.73480

I'm a deist but I feel the traditional definition of deist doesn't suit me well. I do care for spirituality but I don't feel common tradition suits me, they're purposefully confusing and obscure, I care for rituals but deism offers none.

I'm really interested in stuff like the cult of reason, I wish there was ant resource on how it worked in a day to day basis.

I remember hearing the early soviet union had a movement to create a new socialist religion but it was quickly shut down and in the book A holy space is never empty they mention that later on there was a movement to create socialist rituals to replace religious rituals so for example marriage isn't just walking to the civil registry.


 No.73498

File: eaf82854b7588d1⋯.jpg (83.96 KB, 905x942, 905:942, SPOOKED.jpg)

>>73469

oh boy here we go


 No.73501

Christianity is basically PrimCom gang/AnPac gang unity with Jewish characteristics.

Know what you'll get if you walk into a random church? Sometimes, not that. So, all of them and none of them.


 No.73502

>>73498

the self is the ultimate spook

t. buddha


 No.73504

>>73502

Exactly! Stirner's egoism honestly goes hand in hand with Buddhism's (and especially Zen's) seeing through illusions and social constructs. But it seems like Zen goes one step further by showing how the self is an illusion, where Stirner stops there and leaves the self unquestioned. I'm still very fond of Stirner's egoism, though, as a sort of revolution of the mind, much like Zen in some ways.




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 No.8369[Reply]

New Years resolutions are a marketing scheme to sell fad diets, but I see no reason why leftists shouldn't pursue self-improvement. Let's have a thread to talking about getting fit, getting read, and developing skills.

I've got my current routine down, but I'm looking for books on syndicalism and communization. Can some anons help me out?

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 No.73466

>>73465

When you plateau look at your diet and see what might be causing it beyond calories, like extra carbs or something. Try working in some more light cardio like a 20-30 min walk, especially before or after meals, in order to burn more calories to keep up to what you were doing when you were heavier. Increase lifting to three days a week if you're doing less than that, maybe even bump up weight if needed.


 No.73468

>>73466

I'm doing it like 5 days a week at the moment. Pretty much had a carb free diet besides a banana and apple a day.


 No.73472

File: 71a5efc8f2da87a⋯.png (723.22 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, ClipboardImage.png)

>>72013

Checkin time, bit late again but not cause of me I swear

Week went by quickly and pretty uneventful, today being the only one of note cause of how shit it was. Not like "life is shit" kind of shit, but more crummy kind of shit. Was at my family farm for the weekend and took the train back cause my parents are retired and decided to stay there, train was late, cramped and crowded, got in and the half the subway is shutdown so I had to take a shuttle bus halfway home. Oh and the fucking world cup matchfuck you Robespierre. Also gonna get 4> hours of sleep thanks to the long travel time. Fun.

Mental state is stable for now, sortta just twiddling my thumbs waiting for something to pop up so I can make something of it, either good or bad I need something right now cause I'm kinda lost on where to go as while mentally I'm not great, it's not the sharp slope it sometimes is so I'm not really trying to do anything about but I feel like I should be.

Social status: Still pretty much a neet, noticed that my eyes are red and I feel tired even though I've been getting sleep, must be from the computer, so I'm definitely on the computer more than I should be but I can't bring myself to actually go out and do something, partly cause I don't know what to go out and do, and partly cause I don't got no friends that I'm in regular contact with and are still around. GF not withstanding but she's working as well and a fucking psycho, so we don't see as much as we should, also I wouldn't consider us as "sex havers" or such since it's more of a weird desperate relationship born out of group therapy and equally weird and anti-social personalities. It's complicated. But ya, still a waste pretty much socially, biggest hump right now is actually figuring out what to do next.

Something random I ran into this week was for the first time ever I was worried about my weight. This is a big time first for me as I've always been unhealthy skinny and stayed active, being never more than 135 pounds. But I've been not eating well since school finished with a lot of sweePost too long. Click here to view the full text.


 No.73473

>>73468

Huh, are you an endomorph and can you post your routine and diet as well?


 No.73503

>>73473

Not sure if I'm an endomorph or not. My diet consists of eggs and bacon in the morning, tuna with mayo and cheese for lunch, and boneless skinless chicken tenders with caramilized onions for dinner. Sometimes I would skip lunch and have a couple of pieces of fruit, dinner would always be the majority of my protein intake. I'm doing scooby's advanced home workout at the moment, been doing that for a few weeks. Before that I was doing startbodyweight and before that I was doing a brain over brawn. Only been seriously working out for 6-7 months.




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 No.73215[Reply]

This is it folks. Cuba is moving to fully restore capitalism in the country. The DPRK is the last bastion of socialism, with maybe Zapatista.

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 No.73489

File: daefa245a493462⋯.jpg (250.76 KB, 1600x1200, 4:3, confiscation1.JPG)

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>>73485

>I asked him if there were any goods that might be in short supply there I could bring with me in my bag

Why don't you ask your own Homeland Security what _they_ want, because they are going to take all that shit from you anyway. These dudes had the audacity to try to bring walkers and basic medical equipments like tubes and thermometers. Not today punks!


 No.73490

>>73489

He traveled through a third country and the U.S. government sucks so I don't see what your point is. And this >>73487 doesn't make any sense.

Cuba has been transitioning to a mixed-market economy for awhile and the one thing that is in demand more than anything else is money. Straight up cash money. If you're Cuban and you want goods it's going to cost money to buy it.


 No.73497

>>73215

it's not socialism you retard. neither is North Korea and say North Korea saying DPRK is so socially retarded only other retarded tankies like you say DPRK. irl nobody says DPRK.

Neither is socialism. socialism has never happened on a large nation on a large scale. The Paris Commune wasn't even that, just got closer. Cuba is far from it, North Korea is far af from it. Lots of tankie shit is far far from it.


 No.73499

>>73497

> say North Korea saying DPRK is so socially retarded

Socialism in one country is an oxymoron, but I don't get what you're on about here. There's no more problem in using the acronym DPRK than there is in using ROK or USA. That's just the official name of the State and you don't have to be a supporter to use it.


 No.73500

>>73490

>And this >>73487 doesn't make any sense.

"Muh spooks."




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 No.6108[Reply]

post all your totally undeserved bans/screenshots of mod abuse here, and stop clogging up the rest of the catalog.

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 No.73391

File: a77b88291f24302⋯.png (1.24 MB, 1420x946, 710:473, coolstory.png)

So I just got banned indefinetly for basically nothing, along with around 12 other people for what I guess is "zionism" and "imperialism" for people who don't know what either of those words mean. Fucking fantastic really. /leftypol/ is gonna die in a year if it goes on like this.


 No.73392

File: fd77bd1247ab0fd⋯.gif (3.89 MB, 480x360, 4:3, leftypol.gif)

>>73391

Welcome to the club.


 No.73450

>>73391

I caught two bans (at least one permanent) in the same thread (one from my phone and one from my pc) for saying that ethnic cleansing is bad. I seriously hope it’s just one autistic mod who is off their meds and that these will be undone when somebody with sense comes around.


 No.73451

File: 2fb7c29b16ad8d2⋯.mp4 (Spoiler Image, 1.9 MB, 480x360, 4:3, The_state_of_leftypol_2.mp4)

>>73450

I checked the log, it's the BO. We warned you.


 No.73492

>>73451

I tried to appeal it and it was denied. I don't even use a VPN so I guess I'm just fucked. I wouldn't really care about it all that much, but there's so much /pol/ cancer that stays there "for the sake of discussion" while simply diagreeing with one summerfag, gets you permabanned. It's just utterly cancerous




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 No.73330[Reply]

How did anti-capitalist internet communities turn so overwhelmingly Marxist-Leninist? A few years ago most of them were still predominantly anarchist, yet today you can hardly find any. Even explicitly anarchist communities are full of Marxists these days. I understand why the Spectacle prefers communists to anarchists, but I have no idea how the dominant ideology shifted. Do you have any ideas?

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 No.73439

>>73437

Communism is stateless and the ML states weren't autocratic, autocratic would be like Howard Scott's autistic fantasy where we're controlled by a godlike machine network. Your "nuanced view" would look like the ML states, and seeing how they've almost all gone capitalist or disappeared that didn't work out so well.


 No.73479

>>73437

> Why can’t the left have a nuanced view of cancer? Why is it always a choice between life and death?


 No.73491

File: c092eb91e303900⋯.png (269.5 KB, 960x470, 96:47, 883a18474eae7a4ff9e7054815….png)

Capitalism is in crisis. Political polarization increases. Identity politics make people fear their outgroup.

Then the pic's contents' kick in.

(Plus, many of them aren't actually leftists, they're U.S. liberals with Trump Derangement Syndrome. They couldn't really go up the compass, so they moved left.)


 No.73495

File: 385b8dd0834fe89⋯.jpg (75.57 KB, 594x395, 594:395, implying.jpg)

>>73330

you're generalizing.

>>73437

you're generalizing.

shut the fuck up before you both start looking more like morons. unless you like it.


 No.73496

File: 80d0abecc570676⋯.png (339.69 KB, 716x682, 358:341, political test.png)

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>>73491

damn some chan users are more retarded than whats possible irl. beautiful. what a dumb af image. as if everything had to be global and absolute lol.

nah, all that is your opinion. I always laugh my ass off at the kind of people who take left vs right and do political tests seriously. jesus




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 No.72458[Reply]

ITT - Questions/Topics that don't warrant knocking a thread off page 15. If you think it'll start a long reply chain, make a thread.

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 No.73304

How do they deal with people with disabilities in U.S.S.R?


 No.73361

File: 03de96e54ea667a⋯.jpg (64.86 KB, 500x500, 1:1, DEATH-IN-JUNE-The-Rule-Of-….jpg)

>>72458

Is Death in June unironically NazBol?

Is it okay for leftists to listen to this band?


 No.73365

>>73361

Yes, at least they were though since antifa protests of their shows Doug has claimed to renounce "all types on extremist politics" or something like that. Tony was even in the BNP for awhile but he quit years ago and recently has started playing with Crisis (the pre dij trotskyist punk band) again, which is pretty surreal. It's pretty clear that it's just for the money, of course.

I still listen to DIJ sometimes but some of their more overtly nazbol lyrics piss me off so I skip those songs and generally prefer to listen to less fashy neofolk when i'm in the mood for that vibe. Goth girls (female) that listen to them are qt.


 No.73405

File: 5055de11cba3470⋯.jpg (46.02 KB, 500x525, 20:21, truth.jpg)

>>72466

I really like the fundamental idea of Georgism, being that all land is common, but I don't think I'd go so far as to say he was a Socialist. Maybe if you consider Mutualism a type of Socialism, as the two ideologies are very similar.


 No.73488

File: 530117019106520⋯.jpg (30.4 KB, 500x500, 1:1, DIJ.jpg)

>>73361

I say they're fash as fuck but listen to whatever. I put them in the category of far-right "apoliteic" music which comes from Julius Evola. The idea is that the West has entered an interregnum so politics is pointless and that one should retreat inwards and become an "aristocrat of the soul." It's blackpilled music: all is lost so let's sing sad, wistful songs about the better days of yore as wait for the coming of New Evropa. It sounds spooky and cool so goth chicks dig it but to understand the essentially fascist message requires some study.

But my underlying belief is that fascists, despite the vulgar popular perception of them, are capable of producing great art filled with real human emotions. There's a misconception that fascism is "simply" evil or about destroying things; in fact fascists see destroying things as a means of revitalizing civilization (selectively applied to only certain "civilized" races and such). Now I find the whole project to be fucked up and evil but it's not that simple.

Basically I agree with this article: https://newhumanist.org.uk/articles/1415/springtime-for-hitler

>What the Nazi world-view shared with humanism was a belief in the perfectibility of mankind, albeit that their racially pure, culturally homogeneous utopia entailed the purging of all dysgenic and decadent elements. Theirs was a selective humanism, a definitively modernist bid to apply biopolitical principles that graded individuals according to their degree of innate humanity. Thus, though it is discomforting, we should not be surprised to find that among their own kind Nazis and Italian Fascists could continue to show tenderness or compassion, any more than we should find it shocking that ancient Romans, slave-owners in the Southern states of the US or White South Africans in the days of apartheid cultivated their own variant of human empathy.

Anyways I'm more of a Laibach fan personally but I don't think enjoying Death In June's music makes you fascist aPost too long. Click here to view the full text.




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 No.65028[Reply]

Like, its now some to the point where we have tumblr feminists taking the 'red pill.' I swear, any day now there is going to be a buzzfeed article that's like "being a red pill feminist."

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 No.73320

File: e286381f4f4a3c4⋯.jpg (24.25 KB, 593x396, 593:396, feminist.jpg)

File: ac18c6a0270b014⋯.png (197.96 KB, 1000x638, 500:319, Egalitarian.png)

>>73310

I don't think there's been any improvement among the critical gender theory crowd from the fringe 1970s spittle-flecked "coitus is rape" misandry of 2nd-wavers to the present "masculinity is a birth defect" misandry upheld by the bulk of the 3rd-wave's rank and file. Judging from popular opinion since sane feminists achieved all their goals and moved on to still-relevant political movements, most normal people seem to agree.

As for current liberal feminists, they seem to exist in the same state of willful ignorance and denialism as "moderate Christians" who dump money into their tax-exempt church's collections plate, and pretend innocence whenever they're confronted with all the heinous shit that cash ends up lobbying for.


 No.73331

>>69595

HAHAHAHAHAHA

>he thinks women got the vote because of their "strength and abilities" and not because most of the beta cucks of the time gave them the vote out of compassion

It was because men allowed it, one way or another.


 No.73338

>>73320

Well it seems that i need to read some feminist theory

I was just talking from personal expeiriance so you may know better


 No.73370

File: 391e9a7d7449c31⋯.png (972.16 KB, 1200x642, 200:107, ClipboardImage.png)

File: 9afd97c21e944c3⋯.png (828.86 KB, 902x917, 902:917, ClipboardImage.png)

So, on the topic of men's issues / the manosphere being liberalized…

I stumbled upon this yesterday. A Harvard employee and anti-circumcision activist got fired after performing this anti-circumcision "play" at Harvard, allegedly for anti-Semitism.

https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=FCuy163srRc

At first I thought it was the usual bullshit where someone questioning circumcision ruffles the feathers of the ADL or some other interest group. Most of the first 115 minutes is a pretty straightforward (if passionate and condemning) lecture about factual information that anybody with basic research skills could find/understand. It's pretty cringeworthy since he's a cartoonish reddit liberal STEMlord (he actually says "It's 2018" at one point and compares himself to Rick at another), but otherwise fairly standard.

Then at the end of the lecture (after a short business pitch where he all but says "the free market will fix it") he goes on a rant that's clearly fishing for accusations of anti-Semitism. Among other things, he says:

>We cannot tolerate Judaism in its current form

>I'm burning my fucking boats on this, and you should join me.

>I fear that Judaism has too strong a grip on [the USA] to [ban all forms of genital mutilation].

>…and as I screamed for help, my Jewish father looked on and did nothing out of his deranged loyalty to an ancient and evil covenant that was designed to - and did - damage me in one of the most evil ways for life.

>I will expend every breath in my body tearing this covenant to pieces. Consider this my official declaration of war on our covenant.

>The Jews - I know; I'm one of them - are an unmasked genital mutilation cult.

You can see this part starting here: https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=FCuy163srRc&t=114m50s

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 No.73486

>>73370

What is it with Rick & Morty with these guys?




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 No.41352[Reply]

ITT: We post results of political orientation tests we took and recommend new/good ones and discuss the results. I will start with a good old 8values test.

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 No.72390

I need to read more before I make one


 No.72398

File: 8a10448bd1133dc⋯.png (113.14 KB, 800x650, 16:13, download.png)


 No.73470

File: a276e7956ccd318⋯.png (157.59 KB, 682x554, 341:277, 8values2.png)

File: 112999a79fa1340⋯.png (150.86 KB, 513x657, 57:73, politiscales.png)


 No.73471

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>>73470

and this


 No.73478

File: 71d3a50e116e7ce⋯.png (57.21 KB, 800x650, 16:13, 8val.png)

>>41352

Pretty close to being accurate.




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 No.72101[Reply]

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 No.72326

>>72318

eh when I say America, I mean as in the governing body which reflects conservative social attitudes.


 No.72406

>imagine the falling rate of profit being so bad that capitalists will try to stop women from breastfeeding to protect the sales of baby formula.

That revolution can't come any sooner.


 No.73418

this is nothing


 No.73427

>>72406

They already try to stop preventative medicine so they can do the treatments that are more expensive. They already put sugar in everything so they can sell people insulin when they get diabetes. They already process the nutrients out of food so they can sell fortified foods and vitamin pills. They already sell women makeup that's bad for their skin so they have to buy more makeup and other skin products to cover up acne and shit. They already sell bras that make tits unable to support themselves so they can sell women boob lifts. They already circumcise babies so they can sell sex lube.


 No.73477

>>72115

Mamarcho revolution when?




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 No.1025[Reply]

If we're moving here we may as well bring the best part of /leftypol/ along with us.

Movies, anime, music, feels, e-celebs, internet drama, fetishes and shitposting ITT

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 No.72920

File: 418d5c4d96a99c6⋯.jpg (80.91 KB, 625x762, 625:762, 328860.jpg)

I did several of the Translation requests on lefty booru if anyone is interested

meme pic unrelated


 No.73099

Getting raided, bumping to save …


 No.73421

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>>1025

Anybody have a Vaporwave of Durruti?


 No.73447

I took 5 hits of acid and watched Sorry to Bother You. Now I'm on a sci-fi keep and want some recommendations. Anime or live action, the more trippy the better.


 No.73475

>>73421

hold on, found something for ya fam.

https://hooktube.com/watch?v=6RMRg6ZijSY




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 No.68782[Reply]

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/26/nyregion/joseph-crowley-ocasio-cortez-democratic-primary.html

Surprised no one made a thread about this here already so I decided to do it myself.

My take on this is that this seems like a good step for US politics and may very well be so because it shifts the overton window to the left. However the problem with candidates like her is that the policies that she advocates are not actually socialist but welfare capitalist. If implemented the policies that she advocates for will not actually pave a path to socialism but attempt to retain the integrity of capitalism as had been done in the post Great Depression era.

She is not a socialist but a social democrat and the social democrats have already won. We are simply living through the fallout of their policies. The problem with social democrats is that they have no answer to the crises of overproduction inherent in capitalism and they keep power in the hands of the ruling class.

When the next recession hits we are sure to see the rise of candidates like her and they will likely be able to pass policies that attempt to curb capitalism's excesses but that may just lead the cycle of capitalism to repeat itself.

Passing universal healthcare, a jobs guarantee, government sponsored initiatives will lead to a rise in the standard of living for most people but it wont do anything to deal with the mass resource depletion that we are currently going through. It will do nothing to curb overall consumption in the western economies which is causing irreversible damage to the environment. It will do nothing to deal with the employer-employee dynamic which inevitably leads to a massive hoarding of wealth and resources by the ruling class.

The way to break through and destroy capitalism is by having a mass movement that calls for radical democracy in the workplace and politically where people can cooperatively make decisions about their lives. Only by breaking thePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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>>73388

>>73440

>rights

Why is this liberal ideology so prevalent among socialists?


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>>73444

>Cuba "objects to any political proclamation which advocates the destruction of any people or state. This principle is applicable to the Palestinian people … unjustly deprived of its territory [by the existence of Israel] as well as the Jewish people, which for 2,000 years have suffered racial prejudice and persecution, and during the recent Nazi period, one of the most cruel attempts at mass extermination."

>implying Jewish people = Israel

The fact that the affirmative quote has to be given the entire context outside of a quote is pretty fucking suspect and deception would not at all be out of character for western media.


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 No.73460

>>73456

>But what's even stranger is that Fidel, this historic, iconic figure for global leftists, expresses nothing but sympathy for Jews, for the history of Jewish suffering, and even for the >Jewish state. He doesn't have much love for its governments, but for the idea of Israel? Nothing but support.

>I asked him, during the course of our first conversation: "Do you think the State of Israel, as a Jewish State, has a right to exist?"

>Fidel Castro answered, "Si, sin ninguna duda" – "Yes, without a doubt."

This rather hinges on how the question was translated into Spanish, or if he was relying on his own non-fluent understanding. The author's bullshitting capacity is on display already with this quote:

>The global Left today is thoroughly infiltrated by Israel-negationists, those people who have aligned themselves with hardcore Islamists and extreme-rightists to form a Red-Green-Brown front opposed to the existence of the world's only Jewish-majority country.

Yeah, the left definitely denounces Israel for the same reasons Islamists do. It's unrelated to Israel being a settler state.

I don't love Castro. Having shitty opinions is not unbelievable, but this is still pretty suspect since if it wasn't being distorted they could just show the transcript.


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>>73460

I think Fidel was mainly freaked out by nukes in his old age & avoiding nuke war between Israel and Iran was his top priority. I don't blame him since nukes are really, really fucking bad.




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I'm very interested in what the different contents and emphases of the Internationale are in different languages. If you don't mind going through the trouble, I'd like you to give a rough English translation of the Internationale in your native language.

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>>73414

If there's an English translation there somewhere, I can't find it.


 No.73422

Tried to translate the Dutch Internationale as literally as possible:

Awaken, rejected ones of the earth

Awaken, damned ones in hunger’s sphere

Reasonable desire is streaming across the earth

And that stream is growing more and more

Die, old forms and modes of thought

Slave-born people, awaken, awaken

The world is driven by new powers,

Desire has touched us

(chorus)

Fellows, for the last time

Let’s gather to the battle

And the Internationale

Will tomorrow rule on Earth

The state oppresses, the law is deceptive,

The rich man lives on selfishly

Until the bone the poor man is bereft

And his rights are merely vane words

We are tired of serving the will of others

Brothers, hear how equality speaks

No right, where duty has been abandoned

No duty, she learns, where right is lacking

(chorus)

The rulers, through devilish ruses

Intoxicate us with bloody vapor

Brothers, fight no longer for the conflicts of others,

Break the rows! Here is your camp!

You that want to make us into heroes,

Oh barbarians, reconsider what you do,

We have weapons to hit those

Who seem thirsty for our blood.

(chorus)


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깨어라, 노동자의 군대 굴레를 벗어 던져라

Wake up, the army of labor, throw off your shackles.

들어라 최후 결전 투쟁의 외침을

Hear, the final battle call to struggle

정의는 분화구의 불길처럼 힘차게 타온다

Justice burns like flame from a volcano.

민중이여 해방의 깃발 아래 서자

People, stand beneath the flag of liberation

대지의 저주받은 땅에 새 세계를 펼칠 때

It's time to open a new world on the accursed earth

역사의 참된 주인 승리를 위하여

For victory to the true owners of history.

어떠한 낡은 쇠사슬도 우리를 막지 못 해

No old chains can stop us

인터내셔널 깃발 아래 전진 또 전진!

Forward and forward under the internationale flag!


 No.73462

south korean one>>73442

I will do the north korean one if this thread is still active when i come back.




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